Serpent 710
11-14-2003 | 01:11 AM
#316
Tech Apprentice
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 50
Originally posted by serpentracer1
[B]DAMN!!!! All The Serpent guys posting thats unheard of with most companies.Seems to me they are just as excited as we are to the release of the car. Looking forword to the release and my kit arriving so I can get to learning the new car!! THANKS SERPENT looking forword to talking to yall on here and on MYTSN!!
[B]DAMN!!!! All The Serpent guys posting thats unheard of with most companies.Seems to me they are just as excited as we are to the release of the car. Looking forword to the release and my kit arriving so I can get to learning the new car!! THANKS SERPENT looking forword to talking to yall on here and on MYTSN!!
Wow!!! Seemes there is happening a lot, while I slept! And I am talking about sleeping, guys!!!!
Seemes there is a lot of discussion about gear ratios going on here.
I would like to distinguish between "punch" and acceleration. The thing you feel coming out of a turn is the punch. It depends on the engine, the clutch and the total gear ratio.
But you can have a lot of punch and still no acceleration. Maybe some of you guys have the possibility to try a real car with a very short first gear, like an off-road car (hill climb gear) or a tractor. These things have no acceleration at all!
So depending on the inertia of your turning parts there is a minimum gear ratio, and by going shorter you actually accelerate slower.
We paid a lot of attention to this and optimized the inertia of the parts and internal gear ratio for the best acceleration. With the 710 we have the same acceleration as with the 705 with a 10% longer ratio, with the advantage that you don't smoke the tires!
11-14-2003 | 05:19 AM
#318
Tech Regular
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 467
Originally posted by MichaelS
[We paid a lot of attention to this and optimized the inertia of the parts and internal gear ratio for the best acceleration. With the 710 we have the same acceleration as with the 705 with a 10% longer ratio, with the advantage that you don't smoke the tires! [/B]
[We paid a lot of attention to this and optimized the inertia of the parts and internal gear ratio for the best acceleration. With the 710 we have the same acceleration as with the 705 with a 10% longer ratio, with the advantage that you don't smoke the tires!
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11-14-2003 | 05:30 AM
#319
Tech Prophet
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 19,679
From: MORDOR
Originally posted by fmolzer
Post the DHL or Fed-ex tracking number here so every Snake fan can follow the shipment's progress.....
Post the DHL or Fed-ex tracking number here so every Snake fan can follow the shipment's progress.....
Worse still if the Mugen guys get to know the AWB number ! 
11-14-2003 | 05:43 AM
#321
Tech Master
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,737
From: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Originally posted by InitialD
I don't know how much flex is allowed on F1 chassis but I know that having a stiff chassis allows your shocks to work much better. Flexi parts perhaps makes the shock workings less accurate and less direct and that it makes driving more forgiving on lower traction tracks. A flexi chassis allows the car to roll better giving you the needed traction.
Just my 2 cents...
I don't know how much flex is allowed on F1 chassis but I know that having a stiff chassis allows your shocks to work much better. Flexi parts perhaps makes the shock workings less accurate and less direct and that it makes driving more forgiving on lower traction tracks. A flexi chassis allows the car to roll better giving you the needed traction.
Just my 2 cents...
I may not be long in RC but I cannot accept the fact that a softer chassis is better. The reason being, you have shocks that will work for you and also, do you think the chasis will roll the same in both directions? I am sure there is no special metalurgy process that ensures a chassis will roll the same in both way.
My 3 cents worth, lol.
11-14-2003 | 07:00 AM
#322
Tech Initiate
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 32
serpent new product
oh no... is the release date wrong?
the only new products are these 2 sweaters, hehe
http://www.mytsn.com/products/desc.asp?prid=2932
http://www.mytsn.com/products/desc.asp?prid=2929
c'mon, stop the suspense
the only new products are these 2 sweaters, hehe
http://www.mytsn.com/products/desc.asp?prid=2932
http://www.mytsn.com/products/desc.asp?prid=2929
c'mon, stop the suspense
11-14-2003 | 07:08 AM
#323
Tech Master
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,737
From: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Re: serpent new product
Originally posted by JA5ON
oh no... is the release date wrong?
the only new products are these 2 sweaters, hehe
http://www.mytsn.com/products/desc.asp?prid=2932
http://www.mytsn.com/products/desc.asp?prid=2929
c'mon, stop the suspense
oh no... is the release date wrong?
the only new products are these 2 sweaters, hehe
http://www.mytsn.com/products/desc.asp?prid=2932
http://www.mytsn.com/products/desc.asp?prid=2929
c'mon, stop the suspense
11-14-2003 | 07:12 AM
#324
Think about that for a minute. take a good look at the next track you run on and look at the surface in relation to the scale of the car. if you scaled up the bumps X10 on most of the tracks we run on they would be considered an off road track if you put an F1 car on them. hence chassis twist in some (repeat some)cases can be a good thing. it all depends on the situation.
11-14-2003 | 07:25 AM
#325
Tech Elite
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,069
From: Nuremberg, Germany
It could be that you're right there, but I would have thought the ideal chassis would be infinitely stiff - obviously something which can only be achieved in theory.
The thought being: if a chassis is infinitely stiff, then the only components playing a part are the suspension parts (i.e. the effect of the chassis = zero), which can be tuned to respond as required.
A chassis which isn't infinitely stiff (which is what everyone has to a greater or lesser extent), would then bring with it an unknown, i.e. how much does the chassis flex. Also the flex isn't tuneable to different conditions.
That's me theory anyway - but one or two of our new members (Michael and Rene
) should be able to add some input to this discussion.
Cheers, Mark.
The thought being: if a chassis is infinitely stiff, then the only components playing a part are the suspension parts (i.e. the effect of the chassis = zero), which can be tuned to respond as required.
A chassis which isn't infinitely stiff (which is what everyone has to a greater or lesser extent), would then bring with it an unknown, i.e. how much does the chassis flex. Also the flex isn't tuneable to different conditions.
That's me theory anyway - but one or two of our new members (Michael and Rene
) should be able to add some input to this discussion.Cheers, Mark.
11-14-2003 | 07:25 AM
#326
Tech Apprentice
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 50
I may not be long in RC but I cannot accept the fact that a softer chassis is better. The reason being, you have shocks that will work for you and also, do you think the chasis will roll the same in both directions? I am sure there is no special metalurgy process that ensures a chassis will roll the same in both way.
My 3 cents worth, lol. [/B]
Hey tIANcI, you are a guy to my liking, except that strange Mugen logo of course.
In real racing everybody wants a stiff chassis. With a soft chassis you can make changes to the set-up with no or unpredictable changes. There are, however two good things about a soft chassis, it covers a wrong set-up and or geometry, and it offers a wider, but lower limit, which can make a car easier to drive.
He hasn't posted for a good two hours