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disaster999 06-20-2017 01:21 AM


Originally Posted by StickyFingaz (Post 14956170)
Guys, what's your opinion on the 419x... still competitive? I've been out of TC for a few years now but have always loved TRF quality, even ran for Tamiya USA for a while. I'm seeing some good deals on kits floating around everywhere, but am worried with little development this car may not be competitive in a season or two, maybe even now... such is the case with TC, development is very rapid.

If you all think objectively as a pay-for-everything privateer for a moment and not as a Tamiya fan-boy like myself, would you pull the trigger on a kit that's been in existence for over a year now? Car will be run in Mod, against the likes of EJ Evans, Lex Tyler, Ethan Erchinger, Gonzalo Cortes, Eric Albano, Clements.... the usual fast NorCal suspects. It's silly... but part of my leaning towards the 419x is I still have a lot of old parts and gear from the 416/417/418s I ran in the past that I don't know what to do with.

I appreciate all of your guys' insights!

Martin M.

In capable hands, Im sure the car would be as competitive as other, many people race older cars and as some mentioned, the winner of Round 5 ETS Stock class was driving a Tamiya with a lot of custom mods. If you have piles upon piles of parts (as long as they fit) I'd say go for it.

The car still shares a lot of parts from other platform and part of the design, notably the swaybar mounts, are very out dated. Theres nothing really innovative about the car that stands out from its competitors. The only thing I quite like was the included weights. But other than that the car, to me, was quite boring. I guess part of the reason for the lack of innovation was because they know they will be disbanding the TRF division.

There was a whole list of problems Ive experienced with the car which I wont go into details here, but enough to make me sell my car within 6 months and never looked back

XRAY_Blade 06-20-2017 05:28 AM

Summary after 2 years 419 and 419x
 
Hello,

short summary after 2 years running Tamiya.
419 - rigid, strong and fast - my sun is running it -on carpet with alu lower deck very fast.

419x very fast - a lot of steering- very consistent.

Diff issue: there is NO!!!
sand down (with 1200 paper) the big bavels to 4.50mm and the small to 4.90mm
use Molykote 55 for Tamiya BLACK O-Ring as in the manual.
since 6 month there are 4 Diffs in my box and there is no leaking....

Damper 419x: ONE blue O-rings as in manual with Molykote 55 and additional 0.3mm shim (inner diameter 4mm)
damper 419: two blue O rings with MK 55
no leaking


thats it.
No XRAY parts.:D:D

greetings harry

congrats to Florian Joos and Christian Donath:nod::nod::nod:

Qatmix 06-21-2017 12:05 PM

Christian Donath's set-up is here
ETS Rd5 Hudy Arena Christian Donath's Winning TRF419X set-up | The RC Racer

XRAY_Blade 06-22-2017 12:44 AM


Originally Posted by Qatmix (Post 14957838)

hey Qatmix
the link to "lightweight spool mod" seems to be wrong :)

how does christian made the 1 pice holder "E" in front -without touching the belt?

Stein Tumert 06-22-2017 02:04 AM


Originally Posted by XRAY_Blade (Post 14958286)
hey Qatmix
the link to "lightweight spool mod" seems to be wrong :)

how does christian made the 1 pice holder "E" in front -without touching the belt?

I understand he custom made this one himself. Milled out space for the belt.

Tom1977 06-22-2017 08:00 AM

Just for info: XWS-Parts (chassisplates) are now available as seperate spare parts.

tandman 06-22-2017 08:48 AM

What would be the disadvantage of running the separate 05e blocks in the front? That's what I run now.

Qatmix 06-22-2017 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by XRAY_Blade (Post 14958286)
hey Qatmix
the link to "lightweight spool mod" seems to be wrong :)

how does christian made the 1 pice holder "E" in front -without touching the belt?

Whoops, I've updated the link now in the article but here it is http://www.thercracer.com/2017/05/tr...rives-mod.html

The .5 E block is low enough to miss the belt. A solid block makes the steering a little more responsive (stiffens that part of the chassis). Also note where the lower bulkhead screws are to make the car more twitchy.

XRAY_Blade 06-23-2017 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by Qatmix (Post 14958883)
The .5 E block is low enough to miss the belt.....

if you look at the pics in petitrc from the bottom view, you can see, that the holder is above the belt.

http://site.petitrc.com/reglages/tam...thTamiya-2.jpg
this is why I´m asking for....;)

Stein Tumert 06-23-2017 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by XRAY_Blade (Post 14959577)
if you look at the pics in petitrc from the bottom view, you can see, that the holder is above the belt.

http://site.petitrc.com/reglages/tam...thTamiya-2.jpg
this is why I´m asking for....;)

It is either upside down with shims underneath or it is a custom mod with some material milled/shaved off.
Was also done back in time with the 416 I believe.

I will ask Christian what it is.

nubs 06-26-2017 08:47 AM

I have an interesting problem. I measured my toe in this morning and noticed that my right rear toe is 2.75 degrees. My left rear toe is 3 degrees. I figure there are a couple of possible reasons for this issue.
1) The holes in the chassis were drilled imperfectly
2) The suspension blocks are imperfect
3) I tweaked the body somehow?
4) The rear arms wore down?

Has anyone else run into this problem? If so, how did you fix it?

Dusttt 06-26-2017 09:40 AM

Will the the 419xw will be the last TRF car?

Macio4ever 06-26-2017 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by nubs (Post 14961375)
I have an interesting problem. I measured my toe in this morning and noticed that my right rear toe is 2.75 degrees. My left rear toe is 3 degrees. I figure there are a couple of possible reasons for this issue.
1) The holes in the chassis were drilled imperfectly
2) The suspension blocks are imperfect
3) I tweaked the body somehow?
4) The rear arms wore down?

Has anyone else run into this problem? If so, how did you fix it?

Check rear arm shafts. I had one bent and similar effect on toe.

Marcika 06-26-2017 01:34 PM

Hi,
Check also ball bearing...some of them have too much play.....
+ check wheel hub installation. That might cause some tweak.
Marton


Originally Posted by nubs (Post 14961375)
I have an interesting problem. I measured my toe in this morning and noticed that my right rear toe is 2.75 degrees. My left rear toe is 3 degrees. I figure there are a couple of possible reasons for this issue.
1) The holes in the chassis were drilled imperfectly
2) The suspension blocks are imperfect
3) I tweaked the body somehow?
4) The rear arms wore down?

Has anyone else run into this problem? If so, how did you fix it?


Qatmix 06-26-2017 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by Dusttt (Post 14961434)
Will the the 419xw will be the last TRF car?

The TB Evo 7 is coming and that is a TRF car. Tamiya have stated that more TRF cars will be coming in the future, so I doubt the 419X WS will be the last.

We might not get a new chassis every 12 months but as long as we get parts etc to keep our cars competitive then it's fine with me (and my bank account)


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