Tamiya TRF419
 

http://www.liverc.com/news/new_produ..._IFMAR_Worlds/

42285 1/10 R/C TRF419 Chassis Kit
Availability: December

• Inherits the TRF418 suspension parts design, which has proven to be the new standard in Tamiya high-end R/C racing machines.
• Aside from the suspension parts, the rest of the chassis has largely been overhauled, including a new layout.
• Features newly-designed bulkheads, motor mount, dampers and gear differential unit.

Bleepity bleep. You've got to be kidding me! :lol:

In other words they redesigned the parts that don't break to bring them in line with the high end breaking standard?

...for me, the best one was the TRF417V5. TRF419 doesn't sound right. Well, at least not right now.

Impossible, shouldn't there be a TRF418X or WCE or whatever before there is a 419 ?

Not with a new layout...

If they changed the bulkheads, which apparently they did, then it's a 419. At least I believe that's typically how it goes. Certainly is interesting news. Gonna make it harder to sell my 418. :sneaky:

My son drives faster with our 417v5 than our 418.

Wonder if a new version is always better?

Oh! Wow! It's a 2 belts car with the motor on left side. :nod::lol:

I think I found my first TRF kit, super excited

Source Link =
http://tamiyablog.com/2014/08/future...el-hobby-show/


42285 - TRF 419

Vehicle that has been developed aimed at four consecutive tournament will be held in the United States Florida in 2014 in the “IFMAR1 / 10 Electric Touring Car World Championship” is this TRF419. Significant changes have been made ​​to the central parts that affect the traveling “chassis layout,” “bulkhead”, “motor mount”, “damper” and “Giyadefu” in the new design almost part of the underbody other than, and high dimension unprecedented I realize the run.

:)

My limited English skills are not sufficient to understand the last two sentences in that paragraph.

Neither are there's.

Those sections do not make sense to anyone who does speak English as their first language!

It's a bit of bad translation

OK.

Sorry for the OT, but a little while back I was visiting Sanwa's website to look at the MT-4s and was compelled to buy by the following fine description of the MT-4s:

Entry for the race seriously
Feeling a new driving which collaboration
with peripheral devices produces
And more than anything, more enjoyable world
Attraction of MT-4S to add evolushon & scalability
to MT-4 of deep R/C

http://sanwa-denshi.com/rc/car/propo/mt-4s.html

They are selling some of the top high end gear in the RC world, and they do not have the resources to facilitate an understandable translation ??

you gotta think how much faster can the car turn with the same tires? At what point do you figure out that they are just recycling the same ideas over and over?

Gotta love it eh?
it's all about the sensation:p

TRF419 Review
 

Wow! that was quick, unluckily for me (Or at least the bank account) I like to upgrade every time they change the number :)

TRF419 build and review here

At least tamiya is still designing new cars.

Nice. Didn't see that coming.

I was thinking about getting a second chassis toward the end of the year, I guess it's a new chassis not just an upgraded one then!

I don't have the statistics, but are racers consistently able to set new lap records and consistently faster laps each time a new TC version are released?

You should see some of the german translation for the GM products. I could not even understand the three steps needed to turn on the ESC.

But yes, they do have translators for the overseas branches. You're just looking at the wrong site.

how many will wait for the 420?

I just hope that they don't change the C-Hubs...:)

Better yet, go with the dynamic toe rear end so we can have twice as many!

Mike Slaughter

:nod::nod: I see what you did there.

I am guessing that he "redesigned" shocks are the slightly larger diameter "big bores" with the one piece shaft guides that come on the new shaft drive car.

We finally get to see the larger diffs we have been hearing about for months now.

While that was a quick run with the 418 I think even Tamiya is admitting that it simply wasn't the leap forward over the last iterations of the 417 chassis as they had hoped it would be. I personally found my 417 with a hard Raceberry chassis to be a more forgiving, faster car to drive than my 418. Either the TC world is far more competitive than it ever has been or (IMO) this is the biggest admission that the 418 wasn't so good--I don't EVER remember Tamiya having a one-number chassis that never turned into an X, Worlds Edition, MS etc.

I kind of feel like I jumped the gun getting a new Samix aluminum chassis to run this carpet season with because I figured the 418 Worlds Car would come out, not a whole new chassis number but oh well. I am sure they will copy Yokomo to the T again with a one-sided layshaft and low motor mount like the BD-7 2014.

Let's see. They got the chassis wrong, they got the motor mount wrong, the bulkheads and everything else. Clearly there's need for a new car, hehehehe!

Lucky they got the new C hub and the suspension arms right. Who wants to bet they'll keep the hinge pins too?

Larger diffs? How do you know? And what's the benefit?

Well, I don't "know" exactly but reading around coverage of the larger races like ETS people have been talking about these redesigned diffs that hold a bit more oil. I would think Tamiya would be correcting the fact that to really build a solid, reliable diff you must sand the backs of the gears and at least in my experience throw out the thin 0.1 shims and use individual 0.2 or 0.3 shims depending on mesh.

What do you think is wrong with the motor mount? Not challenging, I am just curious myself.

wow, pretty much admitting that the 418 was enough of a fubar to break tradition and rush off to the next number. Like it never happened:rolleyes:

Shows Tamiya is serious and listening. Good for them.

Has there been a single case where a major brand makes this level of changes within a single generation? The other big companies tend to go 3-4 years don't they?

This was discussed along with other changes at the last ETS round.

The larger diff has higher oil capacity and better gears supposedly.
They said it was faster with the new diff but didn't explain why.
This was from Wilck and Rheinard, not just BS hearsay

IMO it's more of a marketing and psychological decision. The TRF418 received a lot of bad reviews, most of which in my opinion was unjustified.

If Tamiya had simply released a version "X", the ill feeling of the 418 series would persist in the consumers mind.

Instead they made a wise decision, set aside their pride and scrapped the 418 and decided to start with a clean slate on the 419.

we'll see if they finally designed a car that can best the yokomo. I mean, that''s the main purpose for its existence right? :sweat:

Those high end chassis are all very nice. Never the less for local club racing and fun factor,IMHO I'll stick to my TA05 and TB03 and keep $500.00 plus dollars in my pocket. Sorry gang don't mean to offend any body I stopped chasing new car kits and decided to keep my money so I can support this fun hobby.

Sounds to me like they have a nice amount of changes. As with all things Tamiya it will have new bulkheads if the number has changed.

As to the 418, it seems to be a good club car, I haven't read a negative review about it and those that have them seem to enjoy them (I found mine much quicker than my 417v5)

However at the sharp end of this sport in events such as the ETS it was not as fast as the Yok on many days (although it did win some / a events) As Tamiya loves to go for the World championships it's obviously gone to town to have a good attempt this year.

Personally I like to upgrade when they change the number, I didn't expect it to be as soon as this though... Still it will be mine :)

Where are people saying the 418 is bad? Everyone running it locally and myself love the way it handles. I just think Volker is just that good, especially on carpet. Either way I think it is interesting the direction tamiya went with a much stiffer chassis of the 418 probably to close the gap with Volker on carpet which they have. But then you lose some of that grip on asphalt unless you go softer. Wonder what tamiya will do for the 419 chassis composition.

I think the 418 feels remarkably better on carpet than the BD7.

Yep, I agree, I had a BD7 14 and I couldn't match my 418 times, so I just sold it on. The 418 has given me the best winning streak I have ever had in all my years of racing, so I'm a massive fan of the car, it just seemed to click with me.