-no86-

i would try 1D rear suspension to get more steering and anti dive in the front, maybe 1mm suspension mount spacer

Quantra

Thanks for suggestions, never tried that much anti dive before, normally just 0.5mm. I have tried a 1D rear block, it makes the car squirm out of a corner and lose speed unless I am very careful. Might give it another go though, used to run it like that with the previous control tyre.

Perhaps I can ask just in general what do you guys do when on a carpet track and you want the car to dig in more or you want to find more bite?

napoleon1981

iTrader: (11)

Why are you using battery forward? Also, and maybe I saw it incorrectly, it looked to me you used pro dive instead of anti-dive.

Quantra

I like the battery forwards because it stops the back end of the car swinging out in the sweepers. I find it also makes the car a bit easier to drive for me on carpet. I have experimented with the battery in forwards and backwards positions as well as somewhere in between and I always seem to like it up front.

I run no spacers under the front/front suspension mount and 0.5mm under the front/rear mount. Am I correct in thinking this is anti dive?

DaveG28

iTrader: (65)

If I get Spec-R blades, is it 3mm I need? Or 3.5mm?

napoleon1981

iTrader: (11)

Battery forward moves the weight upfront and takes steering away, making the car easier to drive/more lazy. I'm not entirely sure what you mean with not digging in the carpet, but a lazy car pushes and does not dig.

Yes you are right on the anti-dive part. I misread your setup sheet.

edit: have you tried 0.5mm shim behind your front A arms, instead of the 1.5mm? Also you dampers are really flat, also resulting in a lazy car. Your car really seems setup to be easy to drive, but not necessarily fast.

Quantra

Yeah that sounds about right! I'm far from being a pro driver and very unlikely I ever will be. So for me having a car that is completely stable, easy to drive and can be thrown into the corners is number 1, then comes making that set up as fast as I can but so I can still drive it.

What I mean is the set up generally lacks grip and side bite. It feels like its floating on top of the carpet rather than biting into it. So how the car was before the tyre changes was that it followed every movement of my hand and felt direct but I had to do silly things like slam the steering on in a sweeper to get it to go out of shape. It gave a lot of confidence.

Right now I can almost see in the sweeper that the front tyres are struggling for side bite even with the shocks laid right down and the car feels neither direct or planted.

Thinking further on my problem that this has come from breaking my original X chassis (2.25mm) and replacing it with the thicker X (2.5mm) and then being ill and missing far too much racing. So I'm thinking I'll probably have more success with a thinner more flexible chassis again. I know this isn't the recommended way to go on carpet but I do remember at some times having too much grip or bite with the original X chassis. So I'll prob get the new decks when they come out and maybe then I'll be happy with my car again.

Thanks very much for the responses so far, nice feeling there is someone there to help, a feeling I miss at the track as the only TRF driver there these days =/

ATLASCOPCO

wishbone shock positions
3 1 4 2 how do you tell the difference
i guess you turn the wishbone around

CraigM

iTrader: (34)

It sounds like you are just lacking grip. The 2.5 chassis should be OK, it takes away a bit of grip but not a huge amount. With your shocks being so leaned in you will have very little forward bite, so that would explain why you can't run the D block on the rear safely. Stand them up to 3,3 and tune the rest of the setup before changing them again. For more mechanical grip, drop your camber links by 1mm on the inside, so 3.5mm F and 3mm R on the inner bulkheads. This will give you a lot more bite. The rest of your setup looks ok as a starting point.

Also if you're only struggling since changing tyre it sounds like your prep may be wrong, so I'd experiment with a few different additives.

inpuressa

iTrader: (10)

did anyone try raising the motor mount 1mm? Does it really add more side bite?

Jochim_18

iTrader: (10)

In Off-road 2wd buggy raising your transmission will raise up your CG and this gives you more side bite however the effect of this in TC is a lot different you will loose corner speed cause the car will lean a lot more causing the chassis to scrub... Remember in TC we are running a very low ride hide compared to off-road...

Quantra

Thanks CraigM, I'll give it a go!

Cp Grafix

I know some of u have been asking about the cso chassic, i have tried it at our indoor carpet track. It has alot of crip i most say, but it changed it back to the org tamiya x deck and I was more consistent.
I didn't feel the changes i made to the car with CSO chassic, changed the handling of the car that much, maybe the CF look a like is just to soft for carpet.

Sadly my pace is way off indoors, maybe more pratice will help with this.

Still look for a good carpet starting point for a okayish driver.
we drive 28 sorex this season.

Thanks all

veecee

iTrader: (34)

It's soft because it's not CF. It's a fiberglass sandwich. Look carefully and you will see.

Cp Grafix

I knew its wasn't CF, thats why typed look alike, but I didn't know it was glass fiber. Thanks for the info