Team Magic E4 Thread
07-26-2009 | 07:26 PM
#2267
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Tires are not unglued
Check them every heat before and after running.
If i lift the car up in the middel there isn't a problem as both wheels come of the ground at the same time.
It is when lifting the left rear tire of the ground that the chassis flex more then when i lift the right rear tire.
Can't figure out why it is doing that.
On he straight it's ok and in left corners also but comming out of a hairpin and then slamming the gas down it go's bananas and that is in 2 corners who are almost the same and both to the right
cheers Roy
Check them every heat before and after running.
If i lift the car up in the middel there isn't a problem as both wheels come of the ground at the same time.
It is when lifting the left rear tire of the ground that the chassis flex more then when i lift the right rear tire.
Can't figure out why it is doing that.
On he straight it's ok and in left corners also but comming out of a hairpin and then slamming the gas down it go's bananas and that is in 2 corners who are almost the same and both to the right
cheers Roy
07-26-2009 | 09:59 PM
#2268
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 9,295
From: Chicago Illinois USA
Tires are not unglued
Check them every heat before and after running.
If i lift the car up in the middel there isn't a problem as both wheels come of the ground at the same time.
It is when lifting the left rear tire of the ground that the chassis flex more then when i lift the right rear tire.
Can't figure out why it is doing that.
On he straight it's ok and in left corners also but comming out of a hairpin and then slamming the gas down it go's bananas and that is in 2 corners who are almost the same and both to the right
cheers Roy
Check them every heat before and after running.
If i lift the car up in the middel there isn't a problem as both wheels come of the ground at the same time.
It is when lifting the left rear tire of the ground that the chassis flex more then when i lift the right rear tire.
Can't figure out why it is doing that.
On he straight it's ok and in left corners also but comming out of a hairpin and then slamming the gas down it go's bananas and that is in 2 corners who are almost the same and both to the right
cheers Roy
I highly doubt it is the SETTING of the car that will give you 180.....kicking out 180 is definitely either something in transmission department is binding, broken parts or your tires is not gribbing the surface due to unglue or splitting.
I had similar situation occured on outdoor parking lot, and indoor carpet track. Once I sees the car doing this, I always found 1 of the rear tire's sidewall are unglued. Happened almost all the time in every cases.
07-26-2009 | 10:09 PM
#2269
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You said you have 2 identical E4RS, 1 is all good but 1 is kicking out at the 180 or left turn.....I am with WYD thinks your TIRES are the one doing that. Do this...swarp the tires from the good E4RS onto the other one and give that a try...may be simply just swarp the rear tires only, but if you can, swarp the whole set.
I highly doubt it is the SETTING of the car that will give you 180.....kicking out 180 is definitely either something in transmission department is binding, broken parts or your tires is not gribbing the surface due to unglue or splitting.
I had similar situation occured on outdoor parking lot, and indoor carpet track. Once I sees the car doing this, I always found 1 of the rear tire's sidewall are unglued. Happened almost all the time in every cases.
I highly doubt it is the SETTING of the car that will give you 180.....kicking out 180 is definitely either something in transmission department is binding, broken parts or your tires is not gribbing the surface due to unglue or splitting.
I had similar situation occured on outdoor parking lot, and indoor carpet track. Once I sees the car doing this, I always found 1 of the rear tire's sidewall are unglued. Happened almost all the time in every cases.
07-27-2009 | 12:13 AM
#2270
Took the car apart last night.
Checked all the mentioned things as hingpins,shaft,shafts shocks(again),upper deck and chassis.
Nothing broken or bent and the tires i had on them are ok.
Used on yesterdays race on the other car (the good one) and no troubles with the tires either.
Gonna rebuild the car using the chassis and top plate from the E4FS i have and then look what happends.
Looked also at the left plastic top deck mount and that gives a lot of flex that is unwanted at least i don't want it
.
Going to get me a alloy one and see if that helps after i try the E4FS chassis.
If it is better with the other chassis it is just me and the combo with the flex of the RS chassis that won't work,if it isn't working(same prob) then i have to look further.
Keep suggestions commings as i have to learn the car inside out.
regards Roy
Checked all the mentioned things as hingpins,shaft,shafts shocks(again),upper deck and chassis.
Nothing broken or bent and the tires i had on them are ok.
Used on yesterdays race on the other car (the good one) and no troubles with the tires either.
Gonna rebuild the car using the chassis and top plate from the E4FS i have and then look what happends.
Looked also at the left plastic top deck mount and that gives a lot of flex that is unwanted at least i don't want it
.Going to get me a alloy one and see if that helps after i try the E4FS chassis.
If it is better with the other chassis it is just me and the combo with the flex of the RS chassis that won't work,if it isn't working(same prob) then i have to look further.
Keep suggestions commings as i have to learn the car inside out.
regards Roy
Last edited by Pro10noob; 07-27-2009 at 10:01 AM.
07-27-2009 | 12:20 AM
#2271
It is kicking out in right tight turns and not to the left.
Going to check the steering as well as that is the only thing different to the other car.
The good car has the old steering system on it and the bad car has the 2009 parts on it for the steering(1 piece steering crank).
cheers Roy
Going to check the steering as well as that is the only thing different to the other car.
The good car has the old steering system on it and the bad car has the 2009 parts on it for the steering(1 piece steering crank).
cheers Roy
You said you have 2 identical E4RS, 1 is all good but 1 is kicking out at the 180 or left turn.....I am with WYD thinks your TIRES are the one doing that. Do this...swarp the tires from the good E4RS onto the other one and give that a try...may be simply just swarp the rear tires only, but if you can, swarp the whole set.
I highly doubt it is the SETTING of the car that will give you 180.....kicking out 180 is definitely either something in transmission department is binding, broken parts or your tires is not gribbing the surface due to unglue or splitting.
I had similar situation occured on outdoor parking lot, and indoor carpet track. Once I sees the car doing this, I always found 1 of the rear tire's sidewall are unglued. Happened almost all the time in every cases.
I highly doubt it is the SETTING of the car that will give you 180.....kicking out 180 is definitely either something in transmission department is binding, broken parts or your tires is not gribbing the surface due to unglue or splitting.
I had similar situation occured on outdoor parking lot, and indoor carpet track. Once I sees the car doing this, I always found 1 of the rear tire's sidewall are unglued. Happened almost all the time in every cases.
07-28-2009 | 08:10 PM
#2274
Hi guys,
Need some help with my E4JS. Took the car out racing last weekend and it handled great. Its amazing what this plastic car can do.
One problem though, I shimmed the front and rear suspension to get all the play out of it. The rear is tight but the front end is still loose. In fact it has a lot of slop in it such that the steerign drifts on me. It was tight when I first shimmed it but somehow its now loose. Are there any suspension components I should upgrade to? Are there any stiffer or harder hubs and arms that would have less slop? Do I need to go aluminum? Are there aluminum upgrades for the front end?
Thanks for all the help.
Need some help with my E4JS. Took the car out racing last weekend and it handled great. Its amazing what this plastic car can do.
One problem though, I shimmed the front and rear suspension to get all the play out of it. The rear is tight but the front end is still loose. In fact it has a lot of slop in it such that the steerign drifts on me. It was tight when I first shimmed it but somehow its now loose. Are there any suspension components I should upgrade to? Are there any stiffer or harder hubs and arms that would have less slop? Do I need to go aluminum? Are there aluminum upgrades for the front end?
Thanks for all the help.
07-28-2009 | 09:16 PM
#2275
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Looking more like the 416 is hitting the track instead.
The deck need some work and I found another weak link in the car, that is if you have the aluminum side belt tensioner. The screw hole mount for the upper deck is broken clean off.. What a turd! Maybe just one time I can get this DE kit going like it should be. Good thing I have a doner car and I just can't believe they made that attachment so thin. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!?! They didn't even put the wire access hole in the correct spot. WTF!?
Also , hardware change. Back to button heads and no counter sink for the dual pose steering. shame shame shame...
The deck need some work and I found another weak link in the car, that is if you have the aluminum side belt tensioner. The screw hole mount for the upper deck is broken clean off.. What a turd! Maybe just one time I can get this DE kit going like it should be. Good thing I have a doner car and I just can't believe they made that attachment so thin. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!?! They didn't even put the wire access hole in the correct spot. WTF!?
Also , hardware change. Back to button heads and no counter sink for the dual pose steering. shame shame shame...
07-28-2009 | 11:33 PM
#2276
Joined: Sep 2001
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From: Castle Mamba Max Pro. Feel its power!!!!!!!!!!
Looking more like the 416 is hitting the track instead.
The deck need some work and I found another weak link in the car, that is if you have the aluminum side belt tensioner. The screw hole mount for the upper deck is broken clean off.. What a turd! Maybe just one time I can get this DE kit going like it should be. Good thing I have a doner car and I just can't believe they made that attachment so thin. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!?! They didn't even put the wire access hole in the correct spot. WTF!? Also , hardware change. Back to button heads and no counter sink for the dual pose steering. shame shame shame...
The deck need some work and I found another weak link in the car, that is if you have the aluminum side belt tensioner. The screw hole mount for the upper deck is broken clean off.. What a turd! Maybe just one time I can get this DE kit going like it should be. Good thing I have a doner car and I just can't believe they made that attachment so thin. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!?! They didn't even put the wire access hole in the correct spot. WTF!?
Also , hardware change. Back to button heads and no counter sink for the dual pose steering. shame shame shame...
07-28-2009 | 11:39 PM
#2277
You have alloy hub carriers in 3 and 6 degrees caster and you have alloy steering blocks.
Also you can upgrade to a 1 piece alloy steering crank.
TM,wolfhobbies and K Factory are the suppliers for those items
cheers Roy
Also you can upgrade to a 1 piece alloy steering crank.
TM,wolfhobbies and K Factory are the suppliers for those items
cheers Roy
Hi guys,
Need some help with my E4JS. Took the car out racing last weekend and it handled great. Its amazing what this plastic car can do.
One problem though, I shimmed the front and rear suspension to get all the play out of it. The rear is tight but the front end is still loose. In fact it has a lot of slop in it such that the steerign drifts on me. It was tight when I first shimmed it but somehow its now loose. Are there any suspension components I should upgrade to? Are there any stiffer or harder hubs and arms that would have less slop? Do I need to go aluminum? Are there aluminum upgrades for the front end?
Thanks for all the help.
Need some help with my E4JS. Took the car out racing last weekend and it handled great. Its amazing what this plastic car can do.
One problem though, I shimmed the front and rear suspension to get all the play out of it. The rear is tight but the front end is still loose. In fact it has a lot of slop in it such that the steerign drifts on me. It was tight when I first shimmed it but somehow its now loose. Are there any suspension components I should upgrade to? Are there any stiffer or harder hubs and arms that would have less slop? Do I need to go aluminum? Are there aluminum upgrades for the front end?
Thanks for all the help.
07-28-2009 | 11:53 PM
#2278
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Thats the stuff that keeps alot of people from buying the car. TM should update the car to be lipo and brushless motor friendly and drop the price some. I think this would help them sell alot more cars. Too bad they didn't keep Barry Baker as he really would of helped TM in the long run. Huge mistake on their part if you ask me.
Sheesh!
I got that deck and now they say its for the o9...
Like its different or something .. WTF?
You are totally correct on that one ... I don't know if Barry is all that but I think I could do more good than harm. They (TM) seem to be very stubborn when it comes to taking suggestions. The holes miss located ... the no surface area for mounting the "wings" They must have had these issues with their cars , or do the manufactures even have R&D. Sometimes I wonder....
07-29-2009 | 12:09 AM
#2279
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm very strange you got probs with the new upper deck.
I got a 08 E4RS and a mate of mine has the same.
He and i put the new(09) top deck on the car with no problems.
If you have the older E4 than i could be but i don't know for sure.
The 09 car has a bigger hole where the motor comes because of some brushless motors that are bigger.
The new top deck is narrower at the back so you can lead the wires better to the battery(lipo).
http://www.teammagic.com.tw/en/profr...3003&pageNum=1
I tried it and had fitting it to the car and there was no problems with it as you have??
Where i drive(in Holland and look up the tread of the VG cup on the TM site) we have some drivers who use the TM E4RS and they beat the new Xray 09 spec car and the guy who is driving the car(Xray) is not the slowest driver arround
Perhaps it is just a car that don't suit your driving skills??
I have that with Yokomo.
Great car but i can't get it to work for me.
cheers Roy
I got a 08 E4RS and a mate of mine has the same.
He and i put the new(09) top deck on the car with no problems.
If you have the older E4 than i could be but i don't know for sure.
The 09 car has a bigger hole where the motor comes because of some brushless motors that are bigger.
The new top deck is narrower at the back so you can lead the wires better to the battery(lipo).
http://www.teammagic.com.tw/en/profr...3003&pageNum=1
I tried it and had fitting it to the car and there was no problems with it as you have??
Where i drive(in Holland and look up the tread of the VG cup on the TM site) we have some drivers who use the TM E4RS and they beat the new Xray 09 spec car and the guy who is driving the car(Xray) is not the slowest driver arround
Perhaps it is just a car that don't suit your driving skills??
I have that with Yokomo.
Great car but i can't get it to work for me.
cheers Roy
Last edited by Pro10noob; 07-29-2009 at 12:29 AM.
07-29-2009 | 01:23 AM
#2280
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm very strange you got probs with the new upper deck.
I got a 08 E4RS and a mate of mine has the same.
He and i put the new(09) top deck on the car with no problems.
If you have the older E4 than i could be but i don't know for sure.
The 09 car has a bigger hole where the motor comes because of some brushless motors that are bigger.
The new top deck is narrower at the back so you can lead the wires better to the battery(lipo).
http://www.teammagic.com.tw/en/profr...3003&pageNum=1
I tried it and had fitting it to the car and there was no problems with it as you have??
Where i drive(in Holland and look up the tread of the VG cup on the TM site) we have some drivers who use the TM E4RS and they beat the new Xray 09 spec car and the guy who is driving the car(Xray) is not the slowest driver arround
Perhaps it is just a car that don't suit your driving skills??
I have that with Yokomo.
Great car but i can't get it to work for me.
cheers Roy
I got a 08 E4RS and a mate of mine has the same.
He and i put the new(09) top deck on the car with no problems.
If you have the older E4 than i could be but i don't know for sure.
The 09 car has a bigger hole where the motor comes because of some brushless motors that are bigger.
The new top deck is narrower at the back so you can lead the wires better to the battery(lipo).
http://www.teammagic.com.tw/en/profr...3003&pageNum=1
I tried it and had fitting it to the car and there was no problems with it as you have??
Where i drive(in Holland and look up the tread of the VG cup on the TM site) we have some drivers who use the TM E4RS and they beat the new Xray 09 spec car and the guy who is driving the car(Xray) is not the slowest driver arround
Perhaps it is just a car that don't suit your driving skills??
I have that with Yokomo.
Great car but i can't get it to work for me.
cheers Roy
My car WAS dialed. But weaknesses are showing up one at a time.
And theres nothing wrong with my "skills".
Fitting the 3200 Orion pack is easy . Too bad you will be getting spanked by a good 40 C pack.. that required modifications to run even in the 09, I guarantee it. And after looking at it , the chassis says the hole for the motor is so big but yet the chassis still needs mods to run a hacker or tekin or trinity motor. These people are stuck running brushed stuff, Sorry man but this car is a proverbial white elephant... PERIOD