CRC 1/10 Pan Car
#3676
Sorry for the delayed response. Just got home from a long road trip to SoCal; including, two days of testing my WGT cars at TQ in Chino.
I could not find the post Brian Bodine (Slapmaster6000) made about old/new center/side springs for WGT; but, go to the 1/12 Forum, Page 2668, Post #40012 (dated 10/30/13) for a dialog between Brian and others about the equivalency of the old/new CRC side springs.
Bill
I could not find the post Brian Bodine (Slapmaster6000) made about old/new center/side springs for WGT; but, go to the 1/12 Forum, Page 2668, Post #40012 (dated 10/30/13) for a dialog between Brian and others about the equivalency of the old/new CRC side springs.
Bill
#3678
The longer arms yield less camber change (gain) under load in corners. This is very helpful in preventing traction rolling in high bite conditions. For me, the long arms are mandatory at major events like the IIC, Carpet Nats, etc. when high traction comes into play.
You also need to buy the CRC #3277 Graphite Cross Brace to mount the long arms on your WGT car. This part was originally built for 1/12th scale cars; so, you have to dremel off the center section to utilize the separate side pieces on your wider WGT car. This piece works with the long arms to lessen camber gain as much as possible.
Other ways to lessen camber gain (in smaller increments)...Use CRC #3279 Roll Center Kit shims or CRC #3230 ProStrut Roll Center Kit to raise the upper arms.
With less camber gain, you should also see that your front tires wear more evenly (inside to outside).
Cheers!
Bill
#3679
Still bill is right on with the long front end. A faster option with out putting the long front end on is to use the roll center adjusters. IMO the 2.5mm adjuster under the block is very similar to running the long arm with the 2mm h brace. This will give you a chance to run the car like you have it now, come in and toss on the 2.5, readjust toe and camber and go back out. You will see right away if you like it or not. I always run the 2.5 to get rid of the camber gain. IMO it makes it a lot more predictable and you can drive it a lot harder.
#3680
Tech Regular
iTrader: (14)
Hey Guys,
I found a few old pics of my LE car for a reference back to what I ran
Attachment 1177032
Attachment 1177033
Since then I have upgraded to the SE kit.
My set up is not the same for that car.
I'll get some pics up of that car and set up for those of you who have switched to it so we can compare set ups
I found a few old pics of my LE car for a reference back to what I ran
Attachment 1177032
Attachment 1177033
Since then I have upgraded to the SE kit.
My set up is not the same for that car.
I'll get some pics up of that car and set up for those of you who have switched to it so we can compare set ups
#3681
I am thinking that the wider LE chassis makes for more weight transfer in the corners which can be more advantageous on asphalt.
Currently, my two SE's are setup for either carpet or asphalt.
Because we have our Region 12 carpet races coming up at TQ Racing in Chino, CA next month, I spent last Friday and Saturday testing at that far away track (360 miles). Was fairly satisfied with getting my carpet SE to within 2/10ths of the current track record with plenty more potential for improvement. Track conditions at TQ were very good; plus, it is great to find so many dedicated racers when I travel to this full-time carpet track.
Just returned home from a week long vacation; so, I have several other things to attend to for now. Will hopefully post more about my SE carpet setup in a few days. Nothing rad about it because the car is nearly stock in its current configuration.
Bill
#3682
Tech Elite
iTrader: (93)
On my car it has the 1/10 front kingpins and springs. Under the springs there are several shims/washers. Whats the point of these? I'm not talking about the plastic one thats shown in the manual either. Is this just a preload type adjustment on the front end to get the correct ride height?
#3683
On my car it has the 1/10 front kingpins and springs. Under the springs there are several shims/washers. Whats the point of these? I'm not talking about the plastic one thats shown in the manual either. Is this just a preload type adjustment on the front end to get the correct ride height?
Sounds like a good assessment. So far, I have never needed to add shims or washers there on a 1/10th kingpin; but, it could be useful for certain setups.
What is the distance from the bottom of the steering block to the bottom of the groove for the c-clip on the kingpin? Is it about 0.600"? Are both distances equal?
Bill
#3684
Hey Guys,
I found a few old pics of my LE car for a reference back to what I ran
Attachment 1177032
Attachment 1177033
Since then I have upgraded to the SE kit.
My set up is not the same for that car.
I'll get some pics up of that car and set up for those of you who have switched to it so we can compare set ups
I found a few old pics of my LE car for a reference back to what I ran
Attachment 1177032
Attachment 1177033
Since then I have upgraded to the SE kit.
My set up is not the same for that car.
I'll get some pics up of that car and set up for those of you who have switched to it so we can compare set ups
Still hoping for your SE setup before I head off to the Region 12 Carpet Races on April 4-6 in SoCal. Would get it on one of my SEs...
Thanks.
Bill
#3686
#3688
My poor car is in a pile of pieces going through a rebuild, so I can't get a pic But, here's what I just ran:
1/12 kingpins with .50 springs with min. droop (.01" gap between stearing block and lower pivot balls while sitting on the table)
0* castor blocks with high roll center graphite shims
All castor shims back
1.5* camber and slight toe out.
2.01" tires, to purple line sauced
4mm clearance
new green center shock spring with 35wt. oil
2mm droop
.55 side springs (just touching)
20K in tubes (i did raise them like the LE)
2.05" tires ,narrowed (3/16" on insides)
4mm clearance
sauced 3/4 center of tire
#3689
Keep in mind that was on a very high bite carpet track
If the traction is low try 7 or 10K in the tubes
and
more traction on the tires (full rear, almost 1/2 front)
One other thing..
With a Hobbywing 1s esc, 35 drag break to start
If the traction is low try 7 or 10K in the tubes
and
more traction on the tires (full rear, almost 1/2 front)
One other thing..
With a Hobbywing 1s esc, 35 drag break to start
#3690
My LE has much of what SG1 (Wayne) has previously posted on this string about his evolving WGT carpet setup. My LE is an extremely developed car that is currently at its best on asphalt. This setup makes for a very easy to drive car which can be very fast too.
I am thinking that the wider LE chassis makes for more weight transfer in the corners which can be more advantageous on asphalt.
Currently, my two SE's are setup for either carpet or asphalt.
Because we have our Region 12 carpet races coming up at TQ Racing in Chino, CA next month, I spent last Friday and Saturday testing at that far away track (360 miles). Was fairly satisfied with getting my carpet SE to within 2/10ths of the current track record with plenty more potential for improvement. Track conditions at TQ were very good; plus, it is great to find so many dedicated racers when I travel to this full-time carpet track.
Just returned home from a week long vacation; so, I have several other things to attend to for now. Will hopefully post more about my SE carpet setup in a few days. Nothing rad about it because the car is nearly stock in its current configuration.
Bill
I am thinking that the wider LE chassis makes for more weight transfer in the corners which can be more advantageous on asphalt.
Currently, my two SE's are setup for either carpet or asphalt.
Because we have our Region 12 carpet races coming up at TQ Racing in Chino, CA next month, I spent last Friday and Saturday testing at that far away track (360 miles). Was fairly satisfied with getting my carpet SE to within 2/10ths of the current track record with plenty more potential for improvement. Track conditions at TQ were very good; plus, it is great to find so many dedicated racers when I travel to this full-time carpet track.
Just returned home from a week long vacation; so, I have several other things to attend to for now. Will hopefully post more about my SE carpet setup in a few days. Nothing rad about it because the car is nearly stock in its current configuration.
Bill
Is there a post or setup sheet that describes your LE asphalt setup? I run mine on parking lot asphalt in club races and it is anything but easy to drive! Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Bill