Originally Posted by toepush

What lenght sensor wire do you need with the shorty set up?

Originally Posted by Ashalak

I ran my 22-4 all day today on our local astro track, car performed decent but I lacked steering most of the day and stability on the limit. I made a few changes throughout the day only to realise that for some reason my EPA was set a few clicks lower than where it needed to be, god knows why it had changed but it did. After correcting that and discovering steering, I managed to pull a second place out of the bag in the 3rd leg of the A Final

After the meeting I stayed to flip my rear arms round and run the shocks inboard. Now I ran the shocks inboard as close as I could to the original settings I ran throughout the day, to get a good comparison. So basically I ran the stock hubs, lengthened my wheelbase an additional 2mm to compensate for the arms shortening it and I also drilled a new hole for my anti roll bar which I could simply bolt into the opposite side of the arm. The only thing I had to do besides drilling a new hole for the anti-roll bar mount was to add approximately 3mm's worth of washers over the ballstud on the rear camber block, just to straighten it out as best as I could. It was still on a slight angle however, but again for the sake of consistency I stuck with it. Obviously if you wanted to run this configuration long term, you'd probably be better with the 22 hubs to work around this. If you did want to keep with the stock hubs though I would probably recommend longer ballstuds and more shims.

After completing the modification I took to the track, and??? Different car! I was absolutely blown away with just how much BETTER it was. Now remember I was running on high grip astro, so I'm not saying that it's going to suit everyone but on this kind of condition it really suited me. The car was much more responsive and more reactive to steering inputs, this had nothing but benefits for me whether it was high or low speed steering. I also noticed that for the first time ever I could get the car to slide and give in the corner rather than try and grip roll, which made the car much more forgiving on the high grip and gave me a level of confidence to push the car that I have never had with it before. In the original configuration even throughout the day with the same setup I was always very conscious of driving too hard for the sake of not having grip roll, with the rear shocks inboard however I could drive the snot out of the thing and it just responded!

The shocks are very much staying on the inside now, and next up is to try the 22 hubs and potentially the shorty pack. I could do all of this in one go, but I very much believe in understanding and learning for myself . On the downside I now need to rebuild my diffs again, which is very frustrating because they've only done 3 meetings. Seriously, if this car had gear diffs it would probably be the best 4wd out there.

Originally Posted by Ashalak

I ran my 22-4 all day today on our local astro track, car performed decent but I lacked steering most of the day and stability on the limit. I made a few changes throughout the day only to realise that for some reason my EPA was set a few clicks lower than where it needed to be, god knows why it had changed but it did. After correcting that and discovering steering, I managed to pull a second place out of the bag in the 3rd leg of the A Final

After the meeting I stayed to flip my rear arms round and run the shocks inboard. Now I ran the shocks inboard as close as I could to the original settings I ran throughout the day, to get a good comparison. So basically I ran the stock hubs, lengthened my wheelbase an additional 2mm to compensate for the arms shortening it and I also drilled a new hole for my anti roll bar which I could simply bolt into the opposite side of the arm. The only thing I had to do besides drilling a new hole for the anti-roll bar mount was to add approximately 3mm's worth of washers over the ballstud on the rear camber block, just to straighten it out as best as I could. It was still on a slight angle however, but again for the sake of consistency I stuck with it. Obviously if you wanted to run this configuration long term, you'd probably be better with the 22 hubs to work around this. If you did want to keep with the stock hubs though I would probably recommend longer ballstuds and more shims.

After completing the modification I took to the track, and??? Different car! I was absolutely blown away with just how much BETTER it was. Now remember I was running on high grip astro, so I'm not saying that it's going to suit everyone but on this kind of condition it really suited me. The car was much more responsive and more reactive to steering inputs, this had nothing but benefits for me whether it was high or low speed steering. I also noticed that for the first time ever I could get the car to slide and give in the corner rather than try and grip roll, which made the car much more forgiving on the high grip and gave me a level of confidence to push the car that I have never had with it before. In the original configuration even throughout the day with the same setup I was always very conscious of driving too hard for the sake of not having grip roll, with the rear shocks inboard however I could drive the snot out of the thing and it just responded!

The shocks are very much staying on the inside now, and next up is to try the 22 hubs and potentially the shorty pack. I could do all of this in one go, but I very much believe in understanding and learning for myself . On the downside I now need to rebuild my diffs again, which is very frustrating because they've only done 3 meetings. Seriously, if this car had gear diffs it would probably be the best 4wd out there.

Originally Posted by kjohnsiii

Let's give it up for Dakota Phend for proving that this buggy can win!

L

Originally Posted by symmetricon

For sure, him and the 22-4 were clearly the fastest car on the track.... I wonder if he was running any prototype parts though?

Originally Posted by John Myall

I've got to disagree with you there Ryan, on UK high grip tracks the std rear end is way too narrow & has a weird "hop" while cornering, the wider 22 hubs take that away & allow us to run more droop to help over bumps.

I'm also using the 22 uj's, not the CVA's, wanted to keep it the same as the front shafts.

Originally Posted by Frank Root

The only parts the guys are running that are not available yet are CVA's for front and rear. Those will be available soon (hopefully next month). Other than that, the big key for the team lately has been the change to a shorty configuration. This is definitely something I would recommend as all the team drivers that have tried it definitely prefer it.

Originally Posted by punkracer24

I eyed up Dakotah, Dustin, and Maifields cars... no prototype parts at all. Just good setups.

Phends car looked like it was on a different planet. He is using the latest shorty setup that has been posted time and again. At the Nationals he used the Proline Electron tire that seemed to suite the track and his driving really well.

Before you guys go moving the shocks in-board, I would try the shorty pack setup first. As frank said, pretty much the whole team is running it that way and it definitely makes the car feel better on the track.

Originally Posted by punkracer24

I eyed up Dakotah, Dustin, and Maifields car Dakotah prototype parts at all. Just good setups.

Phends car looked like it was on a different planet. He is using the latest shorty setup that has been posted time and again. At the Nationals he used the Proline Electron tire that seemed to suite the track and his driving really well.

Before you guys go moving the shocks in-board, I would try the shorty pack setup first. As frank said, pretty much the whole team is running it that way and it definitely makes the car feel better on the track.

Originally Posted by boysdontcry

For hacker or franck root

Is the shorty mod good for astro or carpet or i must stay with the saddle.

I don't want to roll over for sure.

Thanks from France.

Originally Posted by RandyJones

What do the CVA's do compared to the standard axles that come in the kit Frank?

TIA!!