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Old 12-04-2013 | 07:09 AM
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When would you do this, or would you?

Run b44 fronts on your b4.2?
Never. It would make it too wide to be legal. If you dont care about it being legal then you can do whatever you want, but the tires are going to be taller and roll around alot. There is a much larger selection of 2wd fronts nowadays that you should be fine in any situation.
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Old 12-04-2013 | 08:58 AM
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well if you want you could drill a small hole in the top of them to be able to take out the ball stud without having to pop it off, mine are really tight so, ya but i use to pop the ae ones off all of the time with no trouble id say your fine just popping them off
Exactly. Drill a pinhole. Or run the Jconcepts ends.

Also, the RPM cups are really tough. Rolling them gently off usually allows you to go on/off about 5 times without stretching them too far.
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Old 12-04-2013 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by mblgjr
Exactly. Drill a pinhole. Or run the Jconcepts ends.

Also, the RPM cups are really tough. Rolling them gently off usually allows you to go on/off about 5 times without stretching them too far.
Is there a good way, or a good tool to use for rolling them off the ball stud? When I changed out the stock ball cups, I used a little metal tool that came with the kit. Not sure what the tool is actually used for, but it worked pretty good to take the stock ball cups off the ball studs.

Maybe a really thin set of needle nose pliers?

Thanks for your help guys, I appreciate it!
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Old 12-04-2013 | 11:40 AM
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I just use needle nose. The easiest thing I've found.
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Old 12-04-2013 | 12:08 PM
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I use a pair of small channel locking pliers he needle nose always slip no matter how hard I grip them
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Old 12-04-2013 | 01:15 PM
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I just use needle nose. The easiest thing I've found.
I have a multi tool with needle nose pliers that seem to work.
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Old 12-04-2013 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Sire
When would you do this, or would you?

Run b44 fronts on your b4.2?
Originally Posted by Matt Trimmings
Never. It would make it too wide to be legal. If you dont care about it being legal then you can do whatever you want, but the tires are going to be taller and roll around alot. There is a much larger selection of 2wd fronts nowadays that you should be fine in any situation.
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The offset on the b44 wheels would narrow the front of the b4 not widden it. The standard 4wd front tire would be illegal due to section width being too great, but the wheel is the same width as a 2wd wheel so a 2wd tire will fit just fine. This would be perfectly legal.

I have actually thought about doing this. Narrowing the track will increase the overall traction, but make it more difficult to control at the limit.
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Old 12-04-2013 | 02:40 PM
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I took it as he was referring to 4wd front tires instead of 2wd front tires. Yes the 4wd wheel will narrow the track. Do you happen to have a 4wd and a 2wd wheel handy? The 4wd wheel should be slightly wider and if you mount a 2wd tire on it will stretch it slightly.
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Old 12-04-2013 | 05:13 PM
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I use these. I'm sure you can find cheaper. This was just first pic I found.

http://www.ace4parts.com/Products/50...RS__50CGV.aspx
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Old 12-04-2013 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt Trimmings
I took it as he was referring to 4wd front tires instead of 2wd front tires. Yes the 4wd wheel will narrow the track. Do you happen to have a 4wd and a 2wd wheel handy? The 4wd wheel should be slightly wider and if you mount a 2wd tire on it will stretch it slightly.
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Not infront of me now, but I will measure them both when I get home.
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Old 12-04-2013 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt Trimmings
I took it as he was referring to 4wd front tires instead of 2wd front tires. Yes the 4wd wheel will narrow the track. Do you happen to have a 4wd and a 2wd wheel handy? The 4wd wheel should be slightly wider and if you mount a 2wd tire on it will stretch it slightly.
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I do not have any unmounted b44 wheels, so I'm going to be off a fuzz on those measurements.

The b4 wheel I measured has a width of 25.1mm. the b44 wheel I measured has a width of 26.5mm. Even taking into account squeezing the tire & glue over the lip, the b44 wheel is at least 1mm wider. I stand corrected.

For some extra credit, I looked up the actual ROAR 1/10 buggy rules. First thing that jumped out at me was the rules for 2wd & 4wd are exactly the same except for minimum weight (1499gr for 2wd & 1613gr for 4wd)! That includes tires & wheels. The rules also make no distinction between front wheels & rear wheels. Per the rules, there is no reason you can't run the same wheel & tire front & rear! I'm not saying you should, just that you can. So, assuming you still make maximum width, there is no reason you can't pull the front wheels off your b44 & mount them on your b4 without changing the tires, & vice versa.

I tried mounting a b44 front on the front of my b4. There were some clearance issues just before full throw on the steering. If you really wanted to, you could do some clearancing & make it work. Just for gits & shiggles , I tried some rears on the font of the b4. That would take some MAJOR clearancing, possibly a redesign to get it to work.

p.s. If you want to read it for yourself, here's the rules, page 49 for 1/10 scale:
http://www.roarracing.com/downloads/..._Rule_Book.pdf
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Old 12-04-2013 | 09:17 PM
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+1 on that research!
I was looking for additional tuning options, searching for traction and grip beyond the "box" of normal adjustments.
I also thought there could be some cost saving potential if it was viable.

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I do not have any unmounted b44 wheels, so I'm going to be off a fuzz on those measurements.

The b4 wheel I measured has a width of 25.1mm. the b44 wheel I measured has a width of 26.5mm. Even taking into account squeezing the tire & glue over the lip, the b44 wheel is at least 1mm wider. I stand corrected.

For some extra credit, I looked up the actual ROAR 1/10 buggy rules. First thing that jumped out at me was the rules for 2wd & 4wd are exactly the same except for minimum weight (1499gr for 2wd & 1613gr for 4wd)! That includes tires & wheels. The rules also make no distinction between front wheels & rear wheels. Per the rules, there is no reason you can't run the same wheel & tire front & rear! I'm not saying you should, just that you can. So, assuming you still make maximum width, there is no reason you can't pull the front wheels off your b44 & mount them on your b4 without changing the tires, & vice versa.

I tried mounting a b44 front on the front of my b4. There were some clearance issues just before full throw on the steering. If you really wanted to, you could do some clearancing & make it work. Just for gits & shiggles , I tried some rears on the font of the b4. That would take some MAJOR clearancing, possibly a redesign to get it to work.

p.s. If you want to read it for yourself, here's the rules, page 49 for 1/10 scale:
http://www.roarracing.com/downloads/..._Rule_Book.pdf
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Old 12-04-2013 | 10:40 PM
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What about wider hexes instead? I have some b44 fronts with 2wd tires mounted on them, I will try this for fun too. I actually prefer running my b44 with 2wd fronts for tight indoor, it just steers better for me for some reason and I like that. Forward traction isn't a problem on the b44.
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Old 12-05-2013 | 04:53 AM
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What about wider hexes instead? I have some b44 fronts with 2wd tires mounted on them, I will try this for fun too. I actually prefer running my b44 with 2wd fronts for tight indoor, it just steers better for me for some reason and I like that. Forward traction isn't a problem on the b44.
a wider front will make it easier to drive, and give it just a hair less steering, i found that with the stock hexes 1.5mm spacer in the front was the max, due to the length of the axil, and a wider rear will give you more traction, and a skinnier one less
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Old 12-05-2013 | 05:33 AM
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I am a stock racer. Reading about the wheel questions makes me wonder about running B44 front wheels on the rear of my 2wd. I would imagine I would have to run the wider SC10 hex's to get the width back right, but it would mean less rotating mass. Just not sure if it would give up too much traction. If you look at 1/8th scale though, they run the same wheels front and rear.
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