What's the part number for the serpent servo saver spring?

Thanks for the reply. Can you offer a base setup sheet to work with that takes into account your suggestions? Here's the track


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xVArNvRoZo&sns=em

Anyone?


Can't see myself going lighter on the springs, the car was slapping so hard with the kit setup it was actually bouncing back up off the ground

That's not fully the springs fault... That's 70% oil/ pistons job. Cause I do t care how hard Ur springs r if Ur going fast and Ur oil isn't right u will still slap the ground.
Go up about 15wt and try lighter springs .

From what I was told, and this isn't a how they act post, but the piston holes on the black versions are drilled at an angle in comparison to the white ones.

Based on what you are seeing, definitely sounds like you need more pack to me at least.

With the stock pistons I needed 40/32.5 to keep the car from slapping with the 10x1.2 pistons.

The kit springs aren't bad, but the Kyosho's feel better. Combined with the 8x1.3 pistons they will support the car better landing jumps.

All oils will thin out with increased temperatures. The silicon oils just thin out at a slower rate than other types.

I'm with you on the softer springs and stiffer sway bars. They resurfaced and sugared our track last week. I had to stand up the rear shocks one hole on the tower, go to a medium tire, and put stiffer sway bars on my car to keep it right side up.

They definitely are angled. What's the pro/con to that?

Gains more pack as speed of movement increases

Allows u to run thinner oil or larger holes for bumpy conditions but maintain higher pack during landings

The black pistons are made for smoother tracks. Found this quote in the Inferno MP9 thread:
"The stock angled pistons are really made for smooth tracks with bigger jumps, that need alot of pack and little rebound."

Another:
"White is tapered with straight holes.

Black is tapered with holes drilled at a 45 degree angle.

Get the whites. Black slow down the shock compression and rebound since the holes are drilled at an angle. I have a set of both and I didn't like the black pistons when I tried them. They would probably work better for fast smooth tracks."

Guys, I cant see setup sheets on my Ipad and I am about to place a small parts order. What sway bars come on the car and what have most found to be the sweet spot? Reading the posts on this page seems some are having luck, at least on high bite surfaces, going lighter on spring and heavier on sway bars.

As for pistons, are any of you running the Fioroni 16mm versions?

The car cones with the 2.3 and 2.4mm sway bars. Depending on the conditions I've used 2.2 to 2.8.

The nice thing about this car is that the front and rear sway bars are the same. So if you buy one of each you pretty much have every scenario covered. No need for a full set of both front and rear like some other cars.

Thicker oil and shock angle will help that. I use the optional arms so I can use the furthest hole out on the arm. This moves the shock further away from the pivot point of the arm, therefor making the spring rate stiffer.

Also, Laying the shock down also helps with big jump slapping as it is harder to compress from a landing than a more vertical shock. A layed down shock will make the car roll easier in the corners. This is why I increase the sway bar thickness so the car doesnt feel mushy in the corners.

This past weekend I ran Tekno green springs front and rear with 2.5mm sway bars front and rear. I ran 45 wt. front oil and 35 wt. rear oil with the stock pistons. Alot of guys at the track complained of loose cars but mine was great. Tons of steering and rear grip. I qualified 3rd overall out of 28 cars. This is in a field of stiff comp also.

I am looking forward to trying Kyosho pistons. I want to run 8x1.3mm.