Serpent 811E Buggy Thread
#4666
Quick question... I have the original 811 be. My car fishtails. I have gone to a blue spring (V1) in the rear and went down to 27 weight oil. This has helped a bit, but is still difficult to drive. The car is basically setup with the stock setup sheet. I run on dusty large outdoor tracks and traction is low. I was wondering if I increase the rear toe in how much will this help. I am inclined to go to the max 4.5 rear toe in to see the drastic effect and adjust from there (Less than 4.5). Suggestions please... FYI I am running Purple front springs and now blue rear springs (V1).. I used to run green rear springs... I would like to go back to the green springs as the blue softer springs make the car bottom out more and I see rear end chassis wear...
I had something that may have been similar, where coming out of the corner on a bumpy section if I got on it, the back end wanted to get loose. I made several adjustments during the day including standing up the rear shocks, going to 27.5 like you did (from 30), going to the green springs, softening the rear sway and raising the rear inner upper camber links. Those helped, but did not get me there. Chicky and some others posted some help, and the 2 other big changes was softening the front sway from 2.3 to 2.1mm (wire style which we are assuming acts like the next step harder regular bar, so 2.5 to 2.3). The other change was thinner center diff oil. I have V1 diffs, and was running 7/10/5, and went to 7/5/5 and the back end is much more locked in on acceleration. It rotates in the corners and under braking where I want it to.
I do have the 2.0 rear end which may or may not play a factor into it depending on where and why your back end is coming loose.
#4667
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When does it fishtail? Under acceleration, braking, neutral? Into the corner or out of the corner? On landing from jumps or just on the flats? How bumpy is the track where you are experiencing this?
I had something that may have been similar, where coming out of the corner on a bumpy section if I got on it, the back end wanted to get loose. I made several adjustments during the day including standing up the rear shocks, going to 27.5 like you did (from 30), going to the green springs, softening the rear sway and raising the rear inner upper camber links. Those helped, but did not get me there. Chicky and some others posted some help, and the 2 other big changes was softening the front sway from 2.3 to 2.1mm (wire style which we are assuming acts like the next step harder regular bar, so 2.5 to 2.3). The other change was thinner center diff oil. I have V1 diffs, and was running 7/10/5, and went to 7/5/5 and the back end is much more locked in on acceleration. It rotates in the corners and under braking where I want it to.
I do have the 2.0 rear end which may or may not play a factor into it depending on where and why your back end is coming loose.
I had something that may have been similar, where coming out of the corner on a bumpy section if I got on it, the back end wanted to get loose. I made several adjustments during the day including standing up the rear shocks, going to 27.5 like you did (from 30), going to the green springs, softening the rear sway and raising the rear inner upper camber links. Those helped, but did not get me there. Chicky and some others posted some help, and the 2 other big changes was softening the front sway from 2.3 to 2.1mm (wire style which we are assuming acts like the next step harder regular bar, so 2.5 to 2.3). The other change was thinner center diff oil. I have V1 diffs, and was running 7/10/5, and went to 7/5/5 and the back end is much more locked in on acceleration. It rotates in the corners and under braking where I want it to.
I do have the 2.0 rear end which may or may not play a factor into it depending on where and why your back end is coming loose.
My car fishtails mid corner to late corner. Not when braking. I too stood the rear shocks up and also raised the rear camber link on the rear shock tower. I am running 5/7/3 in the diffs. I have a 2.5mm sway bar in the front. So you are suggesting to go thinner in the center diff and soften the front sway bar to 2.3 for example. What about increasing the rear toe in?
#4668
My car fishtails mid corner to late corner. Not when braking. I too stood the rear shocks up and also raised the rear camber link on the rear shock tower. I am running 5/7/3 in the diffs. I have a 2.5mm sway bar in the front. So you are suggesting to go thinner in the center diff and soften the front sway bar to 2.3 for example. What about increasing the rear toe in?
#4669
Quick question... I have the original 811 be. My car fishtails. I have gone to a blue spring (V1) in the rear and went down to 27 weight oil. This has helped a bit, but is still difficult to drive. The car is basically setup with the stock setup sheet. I run on dusty large outdoor tracks and traction is low. I was wondering if I increase the rear toe in how much will this help. I am inclined to go to the max 4.5 rear toe in to see the drastic effect and adjust from there (Less than 4.5). Suggestions please... FYI I am running Purple front springs and now blue rear springs (V1).. I used to run green rear springs... I would like to go back to the green springs as the blue softer springs make the car bottom out more and I see rear end chassis wear...
#4670
Dave, why the composite gear?
It is referring to the orientation of the number. 6 UP will look like 6, 6 DOWN will look like a 9 when looking through the holes in the blocks.
Are you sure on this? I have some hodge podge chassis's so not sure, but I was under the impression that the original 1.0 811 (be and nitro) used the same rear uprights and front hubs, and the 2.0 has the larger bearings. On the rear you can tell based on the mounts (or lack of) for the wheel cleaners (2.0 has them). The 811be had some V2 parts, but not to be confused with 2.0 parts, and I thought the bearings changed with the 2.0.
I could very well be wrong.
It is referring to the orientation of the number. 6 UP will look like 6, 6 DOWN will look like a 9 when looking through the holes in the blocks.
Are you sure on this? I have some hodge podge chassis's so not sure, but I was under the impression that the original 1.0 811 (be and nitro) used the same rear uprights and front hubs, and the 2.0 has the larger bearings. On the rear you can tell based on the mounts (or lack of) for the wheel cleaners (2.0 has them). The 811be had some V2 parts, but not to be confused with 2.0 parts, and I thought the bearings changed with the 2.0.
I could very well be wrong.
Nope, the larger 8x16 outdrive bearings and V3 center driveline were first used on the original Be before they ever hit the Nitro car. Yes, some of the plastic has changed since then but the question was about bearings. Remember the electric car came quite a bit after the nitro car, like a year. The Version 2 electric car was just the rear end update mainly.
#4671
I just picked up the S811 sport buggy. I wanted something inexpensive to run Ebuggy as I have 2 nitro cars I run also and would like the chance to switch off if I don't feel like nitro... Anyway, Can anyone recommend some upgrades? I plan to upgrade the rear axles bc I don't trust the dog bones and maybe get the aluminum rear hubs...
#4672
Nope, the larger 8x16 outdrive bearings and V3 center driveline were first used on the original Be before they ever hit the Nitro car. Yes, some of the plastic has changed since then but the question was about bearings. Remember the electric car came quite a bit after the nitro car, like a year. The Version 2 electric car was just the rear end update mainly.
I just picked up the S811 sport buggy. I wanted something inexpensive to run Ebuggy as I have 2 nitro cars I run also and would like the chance to switch off if I don't feel like nitro... Anyway, Can anyone recommend some upgrades? I plan to upgrade the rear axles bc I don't trust the dog bones and maybe get the aluminum rear hubs...

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#4674
I just picked up the S811 sport buggy. I wanted something inexpensive to run Ebuggy as I have 2 nitro cars I run also and would like the chance to switch off if I don't feel like nitro... Anyway, Can anyone recommend some upgrades? I plan to upgrade the rear axles bc I don't trust the dog bones and maybe get the aluminum rear hubs...
Really, if you bought the RTR to save money, I would just run it as is and maybe buy some tuning parts and tires. Replace parts with the "pro" parts as they wear out or if something breaks.
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I just picked up the S811 sport buggy. I wanted something inexpensive to run Ebuggy as I have 2 nitro cars I run also and would like the chance to switch off if I don't feel like nitro... Anyway, Can anyone recommend some upgrades? I plan to upgrade the rear axles bc I don't trust the dog bones and maybe get the aluminum rear hubs...
#4676
The aluminum rear hubs are nice pieces but if you are looking for inexpensive they are not. :-)
Really, if you bought the RTR to save money, I would just run it as is and maybe buy some tuning parts and tires. Replace parts with the "pro" parts as they wear out or if something breaks.
Really, if you bought the RTR to save money, I would just run it as is and maybe buy some tuning parts and tires. Replace parts with the "pro" parts as they wear out or if something breaks.
#4677
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From: Tamarac
Well I went to the extreme with my rear toe in to 4.5 degrees. This solved my loose rear end. It worked pretty well on a dusty track, but as the track grooved up and gained traction I had plenty of traction, but the car pushed a lot. Subsequently, I will drop the rear toe in to 3.5 or 4 and experiment.
On another note, my car is jumping nose high. I can generally control it with throttle control, but I do feel I need to tame the beast. What can I do to make the car jump more level? Stiffer springs for the front? What about droop settings? Thanks in advance.
On another note, my car is jumping nose high. I can generally control it with throttle control, but I do feel I need to tame the beast. What can I do to make the car jump more level? Stiffer springs for the front? What about droop settings? Thanks in advance.
#4678
Do you know what internal diff gears you have? 5/7/3 in the diffs is really light for the newest internals. For the nose high it just depends on if the front of the car is bouncing off the face of the jumps more than the rear. Or some times a nose high jumping is just too much throttle when jumping, this makes the car rotate back right after the jump.
#4680
Joined: Dec 2009
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From: Fort Mill, SC / Charlotte
I'm running 5/7/3 in mine(1.0 diffs), but with 2.0 rear end. I'm running 4.0* of rear toe on a med bumpy/dusty track. I don't have a problem with pushing or loose rearend. using Max's setup and option 1 ackerman. Ran fastest lap and TQ'ed on Saturday. I keep having small issues here and there and can't seem to get the car to thru the main(not a manufacturing issue). Time to rebuild the front end now.



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