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CraigMBA 07-06-2011 07:50 PM

What the heck. I ordered one too, except I screwed up and paypal sent it to my old address.:cry:

ilanstylz 07-06-2011 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by MarqueeRc (Post 9354993)
I have had no problems with my slipper..Dunno, maybe it's b/c im running a 2pole 540 motor..I have seen others run 550's with no issues at the track...Ask T-birdy if this would be considered this "band aid"??lol..:deathstar...If I need it,I will get it when i get a better/bigger motor.. It sure seems like a "band aid' though, dont think team Ae or any of there team drivers use this mod or need it..Don't know, maybe im wrong, im just not feeling having to add the extra hardware on the slipper assembly when the team ae guys have tested and enginereed this truck accordingly...Would this be a necessary mod due too a design flaw??That's what this mod implies??Ill do it if it's an issue i run into..Have not put it through tough race day paces really just yet..Time will tell if I need to get this mod I guess?:nod:

Yeah I've had no issue's with mine either..... I haven't raced it yet, but I've ran it hard at my local track for a good 10 mins or so and they were fine.... I've used both the castle 4 pole 3800kv and I am currently running the tekin 5.5 sc4x......... So until I experience some issue's I'll hold off as well......I did however add the stock slipper pad on the inside and the high torque slipper on the outside and noticed that did help.......

lcc65 07-06-2011 08:08 PM

help me understand this..I'm having an extremely hard time grasping this. I already ordered one to play with, but I would like a detailed clarification. More slipper pads should equal less slippage equals more stress on the drivetrain, so wouldnt this be the same as nearly locking down the slipper? Top fuel dragsters use multiple clutch discs to handle the added stress of large horsepower motors. Does this system allow more tunability of the slipper? Does this system help the front to rear power bias; does it help in anyway with the truck wanting to come around under power? Help!! I really dont way to hear theory, give me facts based on people who have already used this device. thanks in advance.

symmetricon 07-06-2011 08:11 PM

I have not had ny slipper problems once I switched to the Hight torque pads, and i hit the track twice a week, and race every other weekend.

On another note, has anyone tried out the new LRP 550 motors, i just traded my 1410 and tenshcok motor for one, hopefully if has enough balls. I noticed it is rated for roughly 100 less wats than the novak and tekin?

BlueGlowBoy 07-06-2011 08:17 PM

Check out how many of the top 10 IFMAR drivers are using LRP motors..... it's a lot....

LRP is known for smooth power delivery....so seeing 100 less watts makes sense to me....they don't have quite the same tire destroying low end torque...but have the same top end, and you will spend less time spinning tires and more time actually accellerating with an LRP.

SaladFork 07-06-2011 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by symmetricon (Post 9355095)
I have not had ny slipper problems once I switched to the Hight torque pads, and i hit the track twice a week, and race every other weekend.

On another note, has anyone tried out the new LRP 550 motors, i just traded my 1410 and tenshcok motor for one, hopefully if has enough balls. I noticed it is rated for roughly 100 less wats than the novak and tekin?

The rotor is 5mm larger in the 1410 versus the LRP's. The LRP (or any 550 with 0.35mm stator lamination's ROAR legal) is going to feel like a turd compared to the 1410.

The only thing that will feel the same is the Tekin Pro4 which was said to be released this month.

JFuel11 07-06-2011 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by lcc65 (Post 9355081)
help me understand this..I'm having an extremely hard time grasping this. I already ordered one to play with, but I would like a detailed clarification. More slipper pads should equal less slippage equals more stress on the drivetrain, so wouldnt this be the same as nearly locking down the slipper? Top fuel dragsters use multiple clutch discs to handle the added stress of large horsepower motors. Does this system allow more tunability of the slipper? Does this system help the front to rear power bias; does it help in anyway with the truck wanting to come around under power? Help!! I really dont way to hear theory, give me facts based on people who have already used this device. thanks in advance.

Just a few pages back are people like myself talking about the actual product in the truck and performance on the track. I enjoy the way the truck drives better with they upgraded to the slipper. If you don't feel you are having any issues then that is great. The truck is solid, I see this as mostly another tuning aid more than a band aid or design flaw. Gives me another option in applying power to the ground and tuning front/rear drive bias.

CraigMBA 07-06-2011 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by lcc65 (Post 9355081)
Top fuel dragsters use multiple clutch discs to handle the added stress of large horsepower motors.

No.

http://www.competitionplus.com/drag-...ing-the-clutch

The object of the clutch bucket is to add friction material so the adjustment is less sensitive. Or, you can slip it more and not have it rook the friction material. Plus make it more consistant, as the heat will cause it to slip more as the run goes on than what you initally set it.

maddysdaddy 07-06-2011 09:47 PM

I ordered the clutch basket today too. 2 packs at the track yesterday, HD pad outside with a vented hub, and mid pack it starts getting the slips and the slipper temp starts climbing. Running a 1410 geared 20/93 behind a MMP. The motor comes off cooler than the slipper.
I also have some trackstar O-rings to put in tonight. My track happened to put in a very bumpy rhythm section, which my 4x doesn't like. 35/30 with swaybars made for bouncing and kicking... I suspect the bars are hurting me thru this section, but maybe freeing up the suspension will help a little.
My 2wd was able to float the nose thru the bumps, and was faster/more stable thru there.

CraigMBA 07-06-2011 10:07 PM

These are 540's, but the endbell is the same on the 550's. Notice the notch in the Ballistic endbell compared to the HV (which doesn't have it). The Novak Ballistic 550 fits without grinding in case anybody cares.

[IMG]http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w...1-34-02_24.jpg[/IMG]

Slashdrivr 07-06-2011 10:47 PM

I'll be ordering a slipper basket soon aswell...shimmed, not shimmed, HD pads, new spring = 2 heats on a fresh set of pads...tried to go 3 tonight and could barely make up some of the bigger features...:flaming:

CentralCoaster 07-06-2011 11:28 PM


Originally Posted by MarqueeRc (Post 9354993)
I have had no problems with my slipper..Dunno, maybe it's b/c im running a 2pole 540 motor..I have seen others run 550's with no issues at the track...Ask T-birdy if this would be considered this "band aid"??lol..:deathstar...If I need it,I will get it when i get a better/bigger motor..

No no no.... not a band-aid. You have my assurance that it is a legitimate concern. Check your stock pads first though. It's a lackluster design pushing all that rear power through a single slipper pad. I think the main issue is that AE has a bunch of stoner dropouts engineering it's products getting paid in peanut-butter filled pretzels. Those guys took lots of engineering classes and may have even graduated but couldn't get real jobs so they are designing toy cars and doing a stellarly mediocre job at it.

ilanstylz 07-07-2011 12:04 AM


Originally Posted by CentralCoaster (Post 9355803)
No no no.... not a band-aid. You have my assurance that it is a legitimate concern. Check your stock pads first though. It's a lackluster design pushing all that rear power through a single slipper pad. I think the main issue is that AE has a bunch of stoner dropouts engineering it's products getting paid in peanut-butter filled pretzels. Those guys took lots of engineering classes and may have even graduated but couldn't get real jobs so they are designing toy cars and doing a stellarly mediocre job at it.

Wow those are some harsh comments....... Every rc especially when its almost a completely new design from almost the ground up is going to have issue's...... If you expected it to be perfect out of the box then they probably wouldn't of been released until next year if that...... As far as the so-called stoner dropouts that designed it, they did a pretty damn good job considering they took an off-road vehicle and put a drivebelt instead of shaft that actually works very well...... Also the steering assembly even though can be a pain to change at first, but IMO was really designed well........ I'm sure AE is aware of these issue's and will design a way to resolve them, but hey their only human so if it takes them time then its understandable....... I'm even hoping that a factory team version comes out in the near future (doubt it will be anytime soon though), but if they do I will def. be buying one as well as keeping the sc10 I have now..........

racer1812 07-07-2011 12:52 AM

Well by the looks of things it seems we found the weak link in this truck, the slipper. I know some don't have any issues, which is fine for them. I've got guys running a 8.5 540 keeping up with my 4.5 550 because my slipper just won't stay tight. 3-4 min into a run I can't clear the jumps with short run-ins like the rest of the trucks can. Clutch basket here I come!! Other than this issue the truck is dialed and is a joy to drive.

I don't feel every little change but I will say sway bars make a huge difference on this truck! I knew they would help but never would have thought they would make such a big difference.....

BlueGlowBoy 07-07-2011 01:43 AM


Originally Posted by CraigMBA (Post 9355589)
These are 540's, but the endbell is the same on the 550's. Notice the notch in the Ballistic endbell compared to the HV (which doesn't have it). The Novak Ballistic 550 fits without grinding in case anybody cares.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w...1-34-02_24.jpg

Nice Salt and Pepper shakers.....


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