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CaseyDDR 03-24-2013 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by Cain (Post 11967394)
What! Thats not possible! aftermarket parts actually making a difference ... thats crazy talk! :lol:

Congrats on the improvements. Do you think you will try less toe at all (your running 4 right now if I am reading what you posted correctly). The nice thing with the M2C block is the .25 degree changes you can make too.

I'll eventually start messing more with the toe angle more, but now I want to find a suspension set up that I feel most comfortable with. I also ended up with the front/rear spring kits for the truck, so I have a lot to try. Any suggestions on where to start?

I'm also thinking about picking up that piece to the slipper assembly that helps with breaking and accelerating. I'm spacing on the actual name.. replaces one of the slipper pads on the inside of the spur gear.

What spring/rollbar set up are you using Cain?

GraphiteChassis 03-24-2013 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by cantrell8 (Post 11967220)
So after practice I. Found a couple flaws in my truck fixed them an tqed the first round of quals with a 21/6:12 could be a bit faster though. Still have 2 quals an the main to go! Sundays at trcr are awsome!

heck ya... now that winter series is done at brcr im gonna try and make tuesdays at trcr more often.

Wildcat1971 03-24-2013 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by CaseyDDR (Post 11967430)
I'll eventually start messing more with the toe angle more, but now I want to find a suspension set up that I feel most comfortable with. I also ended up with the front/rear spring kits for the truck, so I have a lot to try. Any suggestions on where to start?

I'm also thinking about picking up that piece to the slipper assembly that helps with breaking and accelerating. I'm spacing on the actual name.. replaces one of the slipper pads on the inside of the spur gear.

What spring/rollbar set up are you using Cain?

your thinking of the exotek front locker.

cantrell8 03-24-2013 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by CaseyDDR (Post 11967430)
I'll eventually start messing more with the toe angle more, but now I want to find a suspension set up that I feel most comfortable with. I also ended up with the front/rear spring kits for the truck, so I have a lot to try. Any suggestions on where to start?

I'm also thinking about picking up that piece to the slipper assembly that helps with breaking and accelerating. I'm spacing on the actual name.. replaces one of the slipper pads on the inside of the spur gear.

What spring/rollbar set up are you using Cain?

http://tweakstation.wordpress.com/20...p-and-results/

here is some info. and my setup at the 2ed qual. for the 3rd qual i went to the outside hole on the rear arm.

Wild Cherry 03-24-2013 08:55 PM

Sc10 is Legit !!!
 
Great racing again candrell ....
Nice work with the pictures & video from www.rc-stats.com :cool:

cantrell8 03-25-2013 12:25 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03u_zvrly-Y

todays main

Jstall7543 03-25-2013 01:40 AM

That was awesome! Thanks for the footage! Subscribed! Sc10 4x4 kills it again.

Cain 03-25-2013 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by CaseyDDR (Post 11967430)
I'll eventually start messing more with the toe angle more, but now I want to find a suspension set up that I feel most comfortable with. I also ended up with the front/rear spring kits for the truck, so I have a lot to try. Any suggestions on where to start?

I'm also thinking about picking up that piece to the slipper assembly that helps with breaking and accelerating. I'm spacing on the actual name.. replaces one of the slipper pads on the inside of the spur gear.

What spring/rollbar set up are you using Cain?

What I ended up with before I sold the vehicle was if the track was loose and bumpy I liked the blues up front, Green or White Fronts on the rear. Hi traction I really liked yellow fronts on fronts, blue fronts on the rear. Can't recall sway bars off hand, but I do have a loose track setup I can email you if you like, just send me a PM with your email address and I can shoot it over to you.

The nice thing with the rear toe block is you can lock in the rear end as needed, then mess with the springs / shocks without trying to get traction and affecting something else along the way.

Wild Cherry 03-25-2013 08:48 AM

Sc10 4x4 is legit !!!!

Sc 4x4 is kick-n at Trcr ...



Addicting fun with the power , steering & traction a 4 w brings ...:batman:

ryanpatrickgore 03-25-2013 08:50 AM

I would like to try the mc2 at 3.25 on my track and see what it does. I might have to buy one someday. We will be getting 2 new outdoor tracks here this summer, both less than 25 mins from my house. Can't wait! This might be a good reason to buy

Wild Cherry 03-25-2013 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by ryanpatrickgore (Post 11970160)
I would like to try the mc2 at 3.25 on my track and see what it does. I might have to buy one someday. We will be getting 2 new outdoor tracks here this summer, both less than 25 mins from my house. Can't wait! This might be a good reason to buy

Its a nice part (Mc2)..

TRCR will like 3 degree best , more toe will make the truck easier to drive but at the expense of corner speed ..

When Bridgewater race outdoors he use 3 degree as well ...;)

drolmaeye 03-25-2013 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by Wild Cherry (Post 11970185)
Its a nice part (Mc2)..

TRCR will like 3 degree best , more toe will make the truck easier to drive but at the expense of corner speed ..

When Bridgewater race outdoors he use 3 degree as well ...;)

WC, when you tired less and/or more toe, did you do it with toe block and/or hub carries? Also, for those of us that have a little less experience, do you think the confidence we might get to "punch it" coming out of the corner might make up for the bit of corner speed lost? When I go outdoors I really lack confidence on the large back straight. The moment I get too aggressive with throttle the truck spins around like I'm on ice. I am hoping a little more toe might help me.

Wild Cherry 03-25-2013 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by drolmaeye (Post 11970256)
WC, when you tired less and/or more toe, did you do it with toe block and/or hub carries? Also, for those of us that have a little less experience, do you think the confidence we might get to "punch it" coming out of the corner might make up for the bit of corner speed lost? When I go outdoors I really lack confidence on the large back straight. The moment I get too aggressive with throttle the truck spins around like I'm on ice. I am hoping a little more toe might help me.

Never tried extra toe on the Sc10 because I have never needed .
Have used it on my other rides before though and plenty of experience with ...

You see a few here that run outdoor swear extra toe is needed ..
Tell you, look at the spring set-up they are using...
They are supper stiff ft spring on the back ...

That explains why they need extra traction IMO..

Outdoors ? Tires are more important then Toe , set-up, ect ...

Set-up does not change much , if were me I would not change
the set-up at all ...
Tires are the only change needed usually..

Outdoors conditions can change a lot .
When you first arrive to a outdoor track ?

Traction is usually very slippery and dusty .
Then they groom , water ect . Then grip improves.

If you what to point & shoot ?

You need to change your style as that will not play very well on any track .
Being smooth on the power is more important ..

Cain 03-25-2013 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by drolmaeye (Post 11970256)
WC, when you tired less and/or more toe, did you do it with toe block and/or hub carries? Also, for those of us that have a little less experience, do you think the confidence we might get to "punch it" coming out of the corner might make up for the bit of corner speed lost? When I go outdoors I really lack confidence on the large back straight. The moment I get too aggressive with throttle the truck spins around like I'm on ice. I am hoping a little more toe might help me.

As I have used the block, and have helped those on the loose conditions I run on who have the SC10 4x4 with the softer stock and lighter front and rear spring settings, I had better traction in comparison to them even with a softer setup. I was also able to get through the ruts faster as the suspension reacted quicker versus theirs seeming to dive into the ruts and get unsettled.

If you find your rear end is stepping out in the corner, you are already losing corner speed, heck, I would say you never had it in those situations where you can't confidently throw the vehicle into the corner in comparison to your competitors. With the toe in block, I was able to do this in spades.

One other thing to mention, I found that when I make this kind of change, I can use it to focus in on rear bite and make other changes in the suspension to improve other areas of track handling versus making suspension changes that have adverse affects to other handling characteristics of the car. Just something to keep in mind that you may find as an additional benefit.


Originally Posted by Wild Cherry (Post 11970319)
Never tried extra toe on the Sc10 because I have never needed .

for your conditions, sure, would agree. I actually use even less than 3 degrees of toe on carpet which is more traction than what you have at your track, worked like a charm.


Originally Posted by Wild Cherry (Post 11970319)
You see a few here that run outdoor swear extra toe is needed ..
Tell you, look at the spring set-up they are using...
They are supper stiff ft spring on the back ...

That explains why they need extra traction IMO..

unfortunately that is not what I saw when comparing to a stock SC10 4x4 in the same conditions, springs in a lighter configuration than what I was using. Truck was not confident in the turns, rear end would step out. Tires being used were actually better than what I was using for the same conditions from what I recall as I asked to borrow them :sneaky:

For everyone, its a simple mod to try that can really add some enjoyment to your sc10 4x4 if you find the rear end of the vehicle feels squirelly and you are using the right tires.

Strange that AE hasn't made some blocks like that with more toe like you can get with say your B4, etc. Would be a nice tuning option to have.

CaseyDDR 03-25-2013 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by Cain (Post 11969639)
What I ended up with before I sold the vehicle was if the track was loose and bumpy I liked the blues up front, Green or White Fronts on the rear. Hi traction I really liked yellow fronts on fronts, blue fronts on the rear. Can't recall sway bars off hand, but I do have a loose track setup I can email you if you like, just send me a PM with your email address and I can shoot it over to you.

The nice thing with the rear toe block is you can lock in the rear end as needed, then mess with the springs / shocks without trying to get traction and affecting something else along the way.


Are these spring set ups with the exotek chassis/added weight?


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