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EricJ 01-13-2012 09:58 PM

This is a mess, so let's set all the records straight here...

These are all the problems:

Originally Posted by njnewc (Post 10157439)
Gentlemen I have an issue. I ordered a new Ball Diff transmission case (9826). That is the part number in the Factory Team catalog, parts breakdown, and in the instruction manual. When it got here it is for a Gear Diff. Does anyone have the correct part number for the Ball Diff Transmission case. Thanks...

Tim


Originally Posted by Biznak (Post 10158801)
I had a similar question myself but looking at the newer manuals, there is no separate case anymore, they must all just use the same one.


Originally Posted by njnewc (Post 10162405)
Brent. I ordered that case 9826 and the diff has an 1/8 inch slop. I have 3 other ball diffs in other cars. This is def not the right case. The package even said gear diff. I ordered everything by part number out of the factory team parts breakdown for the sc10. It's weird.


Originally Posted by Biznak (Post 10162464)
i would like to hear your results because my ball diff is super loose too and wobbles alot! even my brothers gear diff has some play but this is just ridiculous i'm not sure what the deal is, mine is an original kit built with the ball diff upgrade


Originally Posted by Ryno B4.1 (Post 10162419)
I would just say to, call AE tomorrow

Don't do this, it's answered below.

This is the issue:

Originally Posted by Asharus (Post 10159987)
There are two cases right now as far as I know. The SC10/B4.1/T4.1 and the old B4/T4 case, which is slightly narrower on the inside. Take note that the SC10 ball diff has ridges on the outdrive that hold the bearings away from it. The old B4/T4 outdrives do not have this.

FYI the FT SC10/B4.1/T4.1 cases and diffs are all interchangeable, but not with the old B4 / T4 stuff.

This is not quite a complete answer:

Originally Posted by brent701 (Post 10161362)
The new SC10/B4.1 case # is #9826 You also will need the outdrive bearings #9832 10x16mm . The top shaft and idler gear are the same and you can use those bearings also.

I've seen this on another forum and it's caused by people trying to put an old T4/B4 ball diff into the new SC10/T4.1/B4.1 diff case, which doesn't work because the case and outdrives have changed (as Asharus explained). There are two solutions:
1) Buy new outdrives and bearings. This is a fairly expensive route.
2) Buy the T4/B4 ball diff case and a T4/B4 rear chassis plate. This is really cheap (5-6 bucks), but could leave you or a future owner very confused.

I hope this helps.

elex300 01-14-2012 12:01 AM

Why are so many people switching to a gear diff? I also see this happening with the 22 buggy. The ball diff is great on both kits.:confused:

drhodes1989 01-14-2012 12:30 AM


Originally Posted by elex300 (Post 10168979)
Why are so many people switching to a gear diff? I also see this happening with the 22 buggy. The ball diff is great on both kits.:confused:

I've ran both the ball diff and the gear diff (prefer the ball diff only because I'm old school and like to stick with the stuff I'm comfortable with). One of the big reasons is the "set it and forget rule", it doesn't need as much attention as the ball diff does. The last gear diff I had, I ran for a month at a time and didn't need to bother with it. Where as with a ball diff needs constant attention to make sure it stays smooth.

I would also say that with the wide assortment of diff fluid out there that adjustability is also an answer as to why a lot of the vehicles are going to gear diffs, but I find the ball diff has plenty of adjustment to do the job. In the end it boils down to personal preference and how you want your vehicle to handle for you.

Hope that helps.

brent701 01-14-2012 12:47 AM


Originally Posted by EricJ (Post 10168700)
This is a mess, so let's set all the records straight here...

These are all the problems:
Don't do this, it's answered below.
This is the issue:
This is not quite a complete answer:
I've seen this on another forum and it's caused by people trying to put an old T4/B4 ball diff into the new SC10/T4.1/B4.1 diff case, which doesn't work because the case and outdrives have changed (as Asharus explained). There are two solutions:
1) Buy new outdrives and bearings. This is a fairly expensive route.
2) Buy the T4/B4 ball diff case and a T4/B4 rear chassis plate. This is really cheap (5-6 bucks), but could leave you or a future owner very confused.

I hope this helps.


Wasn't a problem for me with the 2 I have upgraded from the B4 to the B4.1/SC10 parts.
Worked just fine

:)

njnewc 01-14-2012 07:21 AM

I've seen this on another forum and it's caused by people trying to put an old T4/B4 ball diff into the new SC10/T4.1/B4.1 diff case, which doesn't work because the case and outdrives have changed (as Asharus explained). There are two solutions:
1) Buy new outdrives and bearings. This is a fairly expensive route.
2) Buy the T4/B4 ball diff case and a T4/B4 rear chassis plate. This is really cheap (5-6 bucks), but could leave you or a future owner very confused.

I hope this helps.[/QUOTE]

I have purchased a brand new updated F/T ball diff, I purchased all brand new bearings straight out of the F/T parts breakdown and I purchased the case out of the same catalog. It does not fit. I have since purchased a ball diff case that was taken out of a F/T kit off of ebay. Hopefully this will solve my issue.

elex300 01-14-2012 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by drhodes1989 (Post 10169027)
I've ran both the ball diff and the gear diff (prefer the ball diff only because I'm old school and like to stick with the stuff I'm comfortable with). One of the big reasons is the "set it and forget rule", it doesn't need as much attention as the ball diff does. The last gear diff I had, I ran for a month at a time and didn't need to bother with it. Where as with a ball diff needs constant attention to make sure it stays smooth.

I would also say that with the wide assortment of diff fluid out there that adjustability is also an answer as to why a lot of the vehicles are going to gear diffs, but I find the ball diff has plenty of adjustment to do the job. In the end it boils down to personal preference and how you want your vehicle to handle for you.

Hope that helps.

Yeah but to adjust the gear diff you have to take it apart to change the fluid which to me is time consuming. The ball diff just needs the screw adjusted which takes seconds and is better for a racing situation in my opinion. Like you said it's just personal prefference. I'll stick with ball diffs:nod:.

elex300 01-14-2012 10:28 AM

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Finally finished it up today. The build went pretty easy. The only thing I don't like is how the rear springs rub against the shock body. But from what I've read in this thread there is'nt much you can do about that unless you use a different manufacturers springs. I'd like to stick with the AE springs since I bought the FR and RR spring kits already. Thanks for answering all my questions over the past few days. Will see how 2wd SC goes this week.

CraigMBA 01-14-2012 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by elex300 (Post 10170331)
The only thing I don't like is how the rear springs rub against the shock body. But from what I've read in this thread there is'nt much you can do about that unless you use a different manufacturers springs.

You can order this:

http://www.losi.com/Products/Feature...rodId=LOSB2903

Keep the spring buckets, and toss out the rest. You need to massage the springs over the buckets, but they stay centered on the shock and don't drag as much.

CraigMBA 01-14-2012 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by JEFFs SC10 (Post 10163559)
What Losi BB springs are equivalent to ae greens for the rear and. Red/ gold/ blue for front?

I want to try the conversion this weekend.

TIA

It's not Koyosho reds in the rear, I'm certain of it!

JEFFs SC10 01-14-2012 07:34 PM

For some.reason my ball diff kept loosening up. I had a spare mip ready to go so all is well.
My old ball diff was in dire need of being rebuilt, it was caked and sticky grease in there not good.

Does anyone have a good setup for very low traction, hard surface, dusty, sandy, clay track?
Will those Pressure Points work better than a double dee? I could not get rear tractuon even with 4 deg toe plate and 0.5 deg hubs and weight in the rear.

I am trying Maifields.setup on a similar track cond to see if itll help.

JEFFs SC10 01-14-2012 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by CraigMBA (Post 10171822)
It's not Koyosho reds in the rear, I'm certain of it!

I think kyosho pink is the soft one.

CraigMBA 01-14-2012 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by JEFFs SC10 (Post 10172065)
I think kyosho pink is the soft one.

Maybe. I ordered Yellow and got Red on accident.

TLR 12mm Pinks are just a bit stiffer than AE greens - wire size is about .002 bigger. TLR 12mm Orange are a bit stiffer than AE blue - wire size is about .001 bigger. I ran TLR Orange F and Pink R today. Interesting not having the springs rub.

JEFFs SC10 01-14-2012 07:49 PM

I was gonna do the conversion today but forgot the Losi part no's.. fail...

JEFFs SC10 01-14-2012 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by CraigMBA (Post 10172105)
Maybe. I ordered Yellow and got Red on accident.

TLR 12mm Pinks are just a bit stiffer than AE greens - wire size is about .002 bigger. TLR 12mm Orange are a bit stiffer than AE blue - wire size is about .001 bigger. I ran TLR Orange F and Pink R today. Interesting not having the springs rub.

Can upload a pic of your truck? What track conditions did you run on? How did it feel?

Brian L 01-14-2012 08:06 PM

Craig-Did you run the buggy springs or did you find some truck ones? Haven't been able to find the 22T springs yet.


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