YOKOMO Touring Car BD-7
#6106
Tech Apprentice
This is due to the non Newtonian properties of silicon oil.
#6107
Tech Regular
Has anyone had issues with the 2013-2014 differentials "gumming up" like slightly locking up after a run? Or even after a fresh build?
I've recently built three differentials with fresh orings, greased properly, oil (mugen differential oil). All meticulously done. When sitting at a cool state the differential is smooth and free moving. However, a couple days ago I was testing my motors boost settings and decided to hold one of the tires to act as a bit of a load for the motor. After a few burps of the throttle, I noticed the differential would start to gum up feeling. It's only when the differential is worked hard.
I decided to take apart and rebuild the differential again. I thought I might have been too conservative with the grease on the outdrives and orings. Once again, under a cool state it's butter smooth, then once I burp the throttle while holding the tire it would do it again.
Do you think the differential is building up some internal pressure when it's getting warm? Thus putting pressure on the outdrives?
What are your thoughts?
I build and measure the weights of each differential. Currently at 1,000 mugen with 15.0g on digital scales.
Or should I just stoping doing burping the throttle while holding the tire? Lol
I've recently built three differentials with fresh orings, greased properly, oil (mugen differential oil). All meticulously done. When sitting at a cool state the differential is smooth and free moving. However, a couple days ago I was testing my motors boost settings and decided to hold one of the tires to act as a bit of a load for the motor. After a few burps of the throttle, I noticed the differential would start to gum up feeling. It's only when the differential is worked hard.
I decided to take apart and rebuild the differential again. I thought I might have been too conservative with the grease on the outdrives and orings. Once again, under a cool state it's butter smooth, then once I burp the throttle while holding the tire it would do it again.
Do you think the differential is building up some internal pressure when it's getting warm? Thus putting pressure on the outdrives?
What are your thoughts?
I build and measure the weights of each differential. Currently at 1,000 mugen with 15.0g on digital scales.
Or should I just stoping doing burping the throttle while holding the tire? Lol
Martin Paradis
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#6108
Tech Initiate
tyre wear
Does anyone have any pics or knowledge about when tyres have gone past or are going past there grip points
what should a tyre look like when it still has good grip or rubber left. Jst need some sort of gauge so I can try and get this understeer lack of traction under control
what should a tyre look like when it still has good grip or rubber left. Jst need some sort of gauge so I can try and get this understeer lack of traction under control
#6109
Tech Elite
iTrader: (8)
I think you are just experiencing thermal expansion. When you blip the throttle, you make the differential work way more and faster than it would under normal situation. Friction makes heat build up, therefore the "sticky" feeling. I wouldn't worry about it. If it were really a problem, you'd see it pop on the forums quite a bit, and while yokomo's diff aren't the best in the business, they're still pretty good.
Martin Paradis
Martin Paradis
#6110
I gave you some info on helping you with your bad handling BD7 over the page BruceCampbell
#6111
Tech Regular
Does anyone have any pics or knowledge about when tyres have gone past or are going past there grip points
what should a tyre look like when it still has good grip or rubber left. Jst need some sort of gauge so I can try and get this understeer lack of traction under control
what should a tyre look like when it still has good grip or rubber left. Jst need some sort of gauge so I can try and get this understeer lack of traction under control
#6112
Sadly, practice and build setup and car performance experience from mainly running on used tires are not optimal when going to a big race on new tires.
#6113
Tech Initiate
Speed 6, try removing the front motor mount screws underneath the chassis and put a long grub screw to secure the mount so it has no chance of coming loose in a heavy impact, Tamiya often run there cars like this with the 419, they have options by just removing screws though
#6114
#6115
Heya guys, looking for a bit of help. My first weekend with a touring car the other week and I was running setup as described below.
Car was very pointy into the corners (so much so that for the first lap or two I would clip apexes), and a little pushy on the way out.
What should I be looking to do in order to calm the steering down on the way in and gain a little from mid corner out?
Car was very pointy into the corners (so much so that for the first lap or two I would clip apexes), and a little pushy on the way out.
What should I be looking to do in order to calm the steering down on the way in and gain a little from mid corner out?
rc_square24
front
shocks, 450 cst, 3 holes 1.1, 20% rebound, pink spring, black bladder.
standard toe blocks, camber 1.5, toe out 1, droop 6mm (under block)
No roll center shims, short camber links
0.5 bumper steer, 1 mm ackerman
Ride height 5.2mm
Spool, 4 degree c hubs
Rear
shocks, 450 cst, 3 holes 1.1, 20% rebound, blue spring, black bladder.
standard toe blocks, camber 1.5, toe out 3, droop 5mm (under block)
No roll center shims, short camber links
3000 cst in the rear diff
Ride height 5.4mm
Body, mazda 6 speed
Tires, sorex 28 with black insert
All plastic parts are grafite, and I am using roche dcj in front
Esc Muchmore ETS, Motor MuchMore 17.5T timming 20, Ratio 4.5
Thanks
front
shocks, 450 cst, 3 holes 1.1, 20% rebound, pink spring, black bladder.
standard toe blocks, camber 1.5, toe out 1, droop 6mm (under block)
No roll center shims, short camber links
0.5 bumper steer, 1 mm ackerman
Ride height 5.2mm
Spool, 4 degree c hubs
Rear
shocks, 450 cst, 3 holes 1.1, 20% rebound, blue spring, black bladder.
standard toe blocks, camber 1.5, toe out 3, droop 5mm (under block)
No roll center shims, short camber links
3000 cst in the rear diff
Ride height 5.4mm
Body, mazda 6 speed
Tires, sorex 28 with black insert
All plastic parts are grafite, and I am using roche dcj in front
Esc Muchmore ETS, Motor MuchMore 17.5T timming 20, Ratio 4.5
Thanks
Would go for a slightly different setup. 500 shock oil all round (no bumps on carpet) and if you feel you need front to be less aggressive go for Blue spring fronts as well.
Front and rear 0.5mm or even 1mm spacer under camber both ends.
Rear camber 2 degrees
5mm front ride height
5.2mm rear ride height
4.5 rear droop
Front and rear 0.5mm or even 1mm spacer under camber both ends.
Rear camber 2 degrees
5mm front ride height
5.2mm rear ride height
4.5 rear droop
#6116
Tech Elite
iTrader: (13)
Heya guys, looking for a bit of help. My first weekend with a touring car the other week and I was running setup as described below.
Car was very pointy into the corners (so much so that for the first lap or two I would clip apexes), and a little pushy on the way out.
What should I be looking to do in order to calm the steering down on the way in and gain a little from mid corner out?
Car was very pointy into the corners (so much so that for the first lap or two I would clip apexes), and a little pushy on the way out.
What should I be looking to do in order to calm the steering down on the way in and gain a little from mid corner out?
#6117
Sorry - On carpet. No traction additive and theyve found that schumacher mini-pins or rally tires work best. I ran yellow pins rear and yellow rallys front. Im going to try some green pins on front next time around too.
The car was quick. I was able to post a fastest lap. It was just awkward to drive which resulted in a few mistakes which cost me.
The car was quick. I was able to post a fastest lap. It was just awkward to drive which resulted in a few mistakes which cost me.
#6119
Has anyone had issues with the 2013-2014 differentials "gumming up" like slightly locking up after a run? Or even after a fresh build?
I've recently built three differentials with fresh orings, greased properly, oil (mugen differential oil). All meticulously done. When sitting at a cool state the differential is smooth and free moving. However, a couple days ago I was testing my motors boost settings and decided to hold one of the tires to act as a bit of a load for the motor. After a few burps of the throttle, I noticed the differential would start to gum up feeling. It's only when the differential is worked hard.
I decided to take apart and rebuild the differential again. I thought I might have been too conservative with the grease on the outdrives and orings. Once again, under a cool state it's butter smooth, then once I burp the throttle while holding the tire it would do it again.
Do you think the differential is building up some internal pressure when it's getting warm? Thus putting pressure on the outdrives?
What are your thoughts?
I build and measure the weights of each differential. Currently at 1,000 mugen with 15.0g on digital scales.
Or should I just stoping doing burping the throttle while holding the tire? Lol
I've recently built three differentials with fresh orings, greased properly, oil (mugen differential oil). All meticulously done. When sitting at a cool state the differential is smooth and free moving. However, a couple days ago I was testing my motors boost settings and decided to hold one of the tires to act as a bit of a load for the motor. After a few burps of the throttle, I noticed the differential would start to gum up feeling. It's only when the differential is worked hard.
I decided to take apart and rebuild the differential again. I thought I might have been too conservative with the grease on the outdrives and orings. Once again, under a cool state it's butter smooth, then once I burp the throttle while holding the tire it would do it again.
Do you think the differential is building up some internal pressure when it's getting warm? Thus putting pressure on the outdrives?
What are your thoughts?
I build and measure the weights of each differential. Currently at 1,000 mugen with 15.0g on digital scales.
Or should I just stoping doing burping the throttle while holding the tire? Lol
#6120
Edward2003-
This is also because you are using too thin of an oil. Go up much higher in viscosity and use less oil. The operating temperature of the diff is much higher than bench testing so you will have to do a little trial and error on the feel that you are pursuing. A warm diff will be a more accurate indicator of diff action. Generally people prefer 5k-7k these days.
This is also because you are using too thin of an oil. Go up much higher in viscosity and use less oil. The operating temperature of the diff is much higher than bench testing so you will have to do a little trial and error on the feel that you are pursuing. A warm diff will be a more accurate indicator of diff action. Generally people prefer 5k-7k these days.