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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
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Gluing your own donuts:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
Tire Charts:
BSR/CRC/Jaco



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ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
If there are any missing please add them!!

If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
If there are any missing please add them!
Servos:
BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
  • Audi R8C - BA002 - .020 Thick



  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 04-07-2005, 08:19 PM   #12466
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How about we setup a little poll in here. Anyone know how to get one going? Moderators can you get one going?
As long as this can get put to bed so I can focus on making this race rock again
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Old 04-07-2005, 08:43 PM   #12467
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Who exactly is wanting to run 6-cell 12th scale? They are already ultra fast with 4 cells, I don't see what the point of 6 cell races would be. There was a reason they went to 4... I could set up a poll, but is it really necessary?

Besides, you can't have an 'open' class where 4 and 6 is allowed, that is just plain stupid. A class is a class; either 4 cell or 6 cell, or both classes, but not together. That's like mixing nascar and F1 and telling them to run on the same track!
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Who exactly is wanting to run 6-cell 12th scale? They are already ultra fast with 4 cells, I don't see what the point of 6 cell races would be. There was a reason they went to 4... I could set up a poll, but is it really necessary?

Besides, you can't have an 'open' class where 4 and 6 is allowed, that is just plain stupid. A class is a class; either 4 cell or 6 cell, or both classes, but not together. That's like mixing nascar and F1 and telling them to run on the same track!
The reason this even came up is the fact that this was suggested by the owner of Hobbytown San Antonio, Mr. Baisdon. Apparently many of the people that ran at a race they had there last year ran 6 cells in the 12th scale stock and modified classes.

Now I am about at my wit's end on this issue. I am trying to accomodate everyone as best I can but if I can't get a clear consensus here, I may just call this whole thing off. That's how upset I am about all this right now
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I agree with everything Futureal said. A pole on this thread would almost certainly result in a vote for 4 cell.

Sure, there are a few pockets of 6 cell 1/12th, but it does not exist as a national class. If some local racers want to run it, the way to accomodate them would be to run a separate class.
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I was just trying to find a fair solution to this dilemma. I, too, believe the poll would teeter towards 4 cells. All the newer chassis accomodate only 4 cells.
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I was just trying to find a fair solution to this dilemma. I, too, believe the poll would teeter towards 4 cells. All the newer chassis accomodate only 4 cells.
I agree with you. What is making me angry right now is that we are bickering over whether to run 4 or 6 cells in this race when I could be spending my time working on ways to make this event more fun for everyone. All this back and forth is what has me angry enough to call this whole thing off
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I agree with you. What is making me angry right now is that we are bickering over whether to run 4 or 6 cells in this race when I could be spending my time working on ways to make this event more fun for everyone. All this back and forth is what has me angry enough to call this whole thing off
I understand your anger. I think just allowing 4 cells only will solve all this bickering. The track looks awesome! Keep it going!
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I understand your anger. I think just allowing 4 cells only will solve all this bickering. The track looks awesome! Keep it going!
(cools off) thank you for the vote of confidence. I still intend to have that chat tomorrow with the other two heads that are helping with this so feel free to drop in and let your opinion be heard. the chat can be found at www.chatshack.net/uspancarchamps Just drop in and give your opinion and hopefully this whole mess can be taken care of once and forever. I would hate to see this race cancelled over something this simple. Which does lead to an interesting question:

How many of you on here would show up for this race if we went ahead and ran 4 cell only for 12th scale (even if we did lose a few racers for it)
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(cools off) thank you for the vote of confidence. I still intend to have that chat tomorrow with the other two heads that are helping with this so feel free to drop in and let your opinion be heard. the chat can be found at www.chatshack.net/uspancarchamps Just drop in and give your opinion and hopefully this whole mess can be taken care of once and forever. I would hate to see this race cancelled over something this simple. Which does lead to an interesting question:

How many of you on here would show up for this race if we went ahead and ran 4 cell only for 12th scale (even if we did lose a few racers for it)
What time will the chat start?
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What time will the chat start?
Im shooting for 4 PM EDT. I will see what time works best for the other two in TX but that is the most likely time
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I don't really know the whole story,
but why don't you make 1 class where you could choose for 6 cells with A stock motor, or 4 cells with A mod motor?
This is what they did A couple of years ago at the euros, both should have about the same speed...
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Apparently many of the people that ran at a race they had there last year ran 6 cells in the 12th scale stock and modified classes.

Now I am about at my wit's end on this issue. I am trying to accomodate everyone as best I can but if I can't get a clear consensus here, I may just call this whole thing off. That's how upset I am about all this right now
I won the Mod class by 2-3 laps with a 4 cell car, the guys that ran 6 cell cars aren't the greatest drivers. They guy who won the stock class has since converted to 4 cells. Don't call this race off....just mandate the 4 cell rule only and be done with it!
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stick with the National standard - 4 cells. Look at how many 1/12th are 4-cell only while there are only two (?) that can be run with 6.

Don't make it so difficult.
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stick with the National standard - 4 cells. Look at how many 1/12th are 4-cell only while there are only two (?) that can be run with 6.

Don't make it so difficult.
Well I just got off the phone with the owner of Hobbytown San Antonio and it will be 4 cell for all 12th scale classes, so everything is worked out. I hope I've made the right (and final) decision in this matter
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I don't really know the whole story,
but why don't you make 1 class where you could choose for 6 cells with A stock motor, or 4 cells with A mod motor?
This is what they did A couple of years ago at the euros, both should have about the same speed...
that was the EFRA 1/12 championship in Europe 2 years ago.

at first they allowed 6 and 4 cell to race together.

6 cells could only run a 17T spec motor (i beleive with bushings)

4 cells could run any motor. car weight was lighter

it ended up being a gaggle/fight. drivers protested/complained and the classes were split.


most of the top Euro drivers were running 4-cell, however started complaining after the first qual.the 4 cell guys were faster only in the infield. the 6 cell guys ruled all the straights due to the extra voltage/horsepower, never dumped with that motor, and needed no rec-pks. the 4 cell cars had problems dealing with cars that weighed more and took different lines due to the weight.


Associated may still sell a tape of the 1994 onroad worlds. the 1/12 was run indoor on carpet with 6-cells (1700). talk about FAST! they also show the 1/10 pan roadcourse guys on asphalt, i forgot how fast they were on a road course. after viewing my friends tape, just amazed that the class mostly died....those races were only 4-5 min long

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