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TIRES:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the US:
Pre-mounted tires readily available in the Europe:
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The following information came from HERE, with some editing and information added. Thanks Christian!

THIS MAY NEED UPDATING FOR THE NEW BLACK CRC CARPET

Brands:
BSR, CRC, Jaco:
Pro One is no longer selling to the public, but it and the brands above are all mounted by BSR and use the same foam. The nomenclature of the BSR vs Jaco/CRC is a little different in a few instances but is otherwise the same. The BSR foam consists of three families, and can be identifed as synthetics, naturals, and blends.

Synthetics - The old school, light weight, easy to true "dry feeling" tires. These include tires like CRC/Jaco Yellow (BSR White), Black, Gray, etc. These tires offer the highest wear rate and lowest grip. Many racers continue to use these nder high bite conditions.

Naturals - These tires are usually the best alternative for low bite and asphalt. They include Pink, Magenta, Double Pink, Lilac (BSR Team Purple), Purple, and other tires. These tires provide a ton of grip, but tend to get sticky in high bite conditions. This rubber does not wear as easily, and the cars will pick up gunk and fibers from the carpet under most high bite conditions. This is especially bad if the humidity is high.

Blends - These are the tires most people run today. They were initially called "JFT foam" by some, as it was believed that the tires were the same as the JFT tires. We can divide the blends further into two groups: high rubber and low rubber content. The high rubber would be the new rear Orange and Red from the BSR family, and the low rubber would be the Green and Blue varieties. When, asked about the difference, John Foister from BSR Tires said they came from the same "family" of foam, but they offered different grip. According to John, the Green/Blue has more bite than Orange/Red, but from track testing Oranges offer more bite than Green (being equivalent to in hardness) when the grip is high and absolutely no grip when it is lower. The Orange foam has a denser pore structure and the tire is not as prone to chunking. It is also important to note is that BSR Blue rears are not the same as the BSR Blue fronts!

JFT:
JFT stands for Japan Foam Tire. They started the new wave of foam tires we are all using now (Blue/Blu, Green/Greene, Dbl Blue, etc). These tires are a little different than the BSR tire family, but work in very similar conditions. They offers four varieties A (asphalt), C (carpet), S (???), and R (???). This does not mean that those types only work on that surface, but this is what they recommend.

JFT uses the same foam for fronts and rears if the color is the same.

A: Used on asphalt, considered close to the natural rubber variety and are named consistently with other natural tires.
C: Used on carpet, considered a blend.
S: Used on carpet?, tires are ???
R: Used on carpet?, tires are ???

For setup, the JFT foam seem to generate more bite than the BSR, therefore the car tends to be a little more aggressive.

Ulti:
Ulti is another Japanese brand that offers an array of compounds. They have their own way of rating tires, and are difficult to equate to other brands. They have 4 different varieties, each in varying degrees of hardness.

J: High rubber content tire, similar to Pink/ Magenta. Soft would be close to a pink. These offer the most bite and are great for asphalt/carpet front tire. (J hard being very popular)
X: "Balanced" blend, similar to JFT Blue/ Green. Soft is equivalent to Green, medium to Blue in hardness. Great for carpet!
Y: High synthetic blend with lower grip, and is not a very popular variety.
Z: A very expensive "special" foam that is supposed to be magic on asphalt. Only make it in soft shore.
European tires:
There are many great European foam tire brands that use their own types of foam, as well as traditional foams. SOmeone with more knowledge about them will need to fill this in!

Tire Diameter:
If you are racing on carpet, you have to evaluate how much grip your track has. If your track is low to medium grip, you can run bigger tires. If you are on higher bite you have to cut them smaller, there is simply no way around it. Bigger tires are needed for asphalt, especially in the rear. The larger tires provide much needed lateral bite.

Carpet (mm):
Low - Medium Bite
Front: 42.0 - 42.5
Rear: 42.5 - 43.00
Medium - High Bite
Front: 40.5 - 41.0
Rear: 41.5 - 42.0
Big Race
Front: 39.5 - 40.0
Rear: 40.5 - 41.0
Asphalt (mm):
Parking Lot
Front: 43.0 - 44.0
Rear: 44.0 - 45.0
Prepped High Bite
Front: 42.0 - 43.0
Rear: 43.0 - 44.0

Tire Saucing:
Most facilities have moved towards odorless traction additives such as SXT. Some of additives evaporate very quickly and some do not. This seems to be something that is also dependent on tire compound and ambient temperature. For example, saucing a Green compound seems like it never dries, especially when tjhe temperature is lower. We have found that wiping the tires off 15 minutes before we go run allows the sauce to cure, which makes the car come in much quicker with Green rears. Blue compounds on the other hand, do fine when wiped off right before hitting the track.

Saucing half front and full rear is a good initial starting point. If the front of the car is too agressive you can sauce les than half, or for a shorter amount of time.
Tire Fuzzing:
In conditions of increasing grip, foam tires will somewtimes get sticky and pick up fuzz and debris from the track. This is highly dependent on the rubber sedan tire that is being run at your local track and the compound/ type of foam you are running on you car. The softer the sedan tire and the harder/higher rubber content in your foam tire, trouble with fuzzing seems more likely to occur.

There are ways to get around fuzzing under most conditions, and usually involves the selection of the correct foam compound. The more fuzz you get, the softer/lower rubber content you want to run.

Examples:
Problem: Car fuzzes with Lilac/Team Purple fronts and car starts pushing.
Solution: Use a softer front tire and or different family of foam. Replace it with Blue or Double Blue front.

Problem: Car loses rear bite 6 minutes into the run. Blue rear tires look almost clean but have small carpet hairs.
Solution: Use Green rear tires. The softer compound wears instead of getting sticky, minimizing fuzz.

Tire Selection:
Starting out, pick 2 tire compounds for the front and rear. The following should have you covered 99% of the time.

Front - Green and Blue (BSR) or Green and Light Blue (JFT)
Rear - Blue and Double Blue (BSR) or Blue and Dark Blue (JFT)

You may wonder about other compounds out there and if they might be better, trust me, they probably won't be. Even if there are other tires that can be as fast, the synthetic family wears out really fast and the high natural rubber will probably fuzz on you over an 8 minute run. The blends family seems to be the most versatile foam type available today. They last awhile, and sticking to them will make your process of tire selection simpler.
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ELECTRONICS:
ESC:
As of now, ROAR is staying 1S (3.7V nominal; 4.2V fully charged) for 1/12. There are many 1S ESC's with a built in BEC so nothing else is required to power the receiver and servo.

If you don't want to lock yourself into a 1S specific ESC, you do have other options! It is possible to use your 2S ESC without a booster or receiver pack, and the ESC simply supplies the lower voltage. If that does not appeal to you, you will need to use an Rx pack or booster. The Rx pack and booster will both supply the receiver with a higher voltage than the 1S pack.

If you decide to use an Rx pack, MAKE SURE TO REMOVE THE RED WIRE FROM THE ESC PLUG THAT GOES INTO THE RECEIVER!!!

If you choose to use a voltage booster, it works exactly how it sounds. Instead of plugging the ESC into the receiver, it plugs into the booster, and the booster plug goes to the ESC, supplying the higher voltage.

1S ESC:
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If anyone would like a need for a chart comparing the ESC's specs PM fenton06 and I'll get one made and put in here!
Voltage Boosters:
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BODIES:
Black Art (CRC - US Dist):
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  • Black Market (Mohawk 12) - BA005 - .020



  • Lola B10 - BA006 - .020 thick
  • Toyota TS030 - BA008 - .020 thick

    Lola - black/red, TS030 - green/pink


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Old 10-27-2009, 01:27 PM   #32536
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I believe that depends on ESC. If you run Tekin, no. We just run them with the power switch from the ESC off. I did the same for LRPs, but don't run them anymore.
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I am about to run lipo. My set up is LRP SXX w/5.5. What is this booster I need? Where can I get this or is there other ways to increase voltage for receiver and servo when running lipo? Thanks
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I am about to run lipo. My set up is LRP SXX w/5.5. What is this booster I need? Where can I get this or is there other ways to increase voltage for receiver and servo when running lipo? Thanks
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Hi!

You need something like Novak Booster
http://www.lefthander-rc.com/catalog...oducts_id=1809

Or if have good RX like SR3001, put to BEC small lipo 2S about 250-300mah
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Receiver pack wiring Q. When you connect the rx pack to the rx do you remove the positive rx wire coming from the esc or does the rx work fine with the lower lipo voltage coming from the esc and the higher voltage coming from the rx pack plugged in to the bat connector?
Depends on what ECS you use. Tekin now allows you to keep all wires in place and turn on the ESC for the lipo cutoff. Version 200 on
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hello,

I drive in France (with EFRA rules), and I would like to know what is the
main configuration with lipo? do you use a 11.5T brushless or 13.5T or 9.5T?

Secondly, do you use a cut-off lipo 1S and a booster for the receiver or the tekin RS can do that?

thank you for yours answers.
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Cool Help setting up 1s LiPo with Brushless in T-bar car??

I am just trying to set-up my new X12 and was wondering if somebody could tell me where they put all of their electronics including the 1S LiPo and how to mount it on the chassis for the best balance? Also running a brushless motor and am pretty sure that this needs to be spaced out aswell. Any info or pictures would be greatly appreciated.

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I have been thinking about getting a 1/12 scale but i need help. i know nothing about electric cars(i have focused on nitro touring). i have done alot of research but i still have a lot of questions

Basically i have been looking at the Xray Xii(#1 option right now), the Serpent s120, and the AE 12R5.1

i have no experience in 1/12 pan cars what so ever.. i just need a car that will be easy to setup and maintain, that is strong to handle crashes(specially sence im new to the class im expecting alot of those), will be easy to get parts for and its not too expensive.

i also need help with the electronics... im thinking that i would go with a 17.5 brushless motor but i have no idea on what brands, or what motors are good. same thing with the ESC i really dont know.. i have been looking at AE motors and ESC's i really dont know what i should be looking for.

also the battery.. i'm i suppose to go with a lipo 1s, a NiCD, or a NiMH?? How many mAh battry should i be looking for (the higher the better right)

im not looking to spend a fortune on this build, but i want something good that will not put me at a disadvantage next to other racers.

thank you so much for your help in advance.
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yes the is the one i have.. no the booster is between the batteries and reciever.and I also turn on the esc ..scott the booster s/b wire between the esc and reciever?
OK Scott.........where can this booster be purchased?



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OK Scott.........where can this booster be purchased?
Tell you what Doc...you buy Justin Poulson and I a late lunch Thursday as we pass through Spokaloo (on our way to Woodland for the TimeZoneII Gran Prix with Scotty Ernst!!) and we'll give you one.
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I have been thinking about getting a 1/12 scale but i need help. i know nothing about electric cars(i have focused on nitro touring). i have done alot of research but i still have a lot of questions

Basically i have been looking at the Xray Xii(#1 option right now), the Serpent s120, and the AE 12R5.1

i have no experience in 1/12 pan cars what so ever.. i just need a car that will be easy to setup and maintain, that is strong to handle crashes(specially sence im new to the class im expecting alot of those), will be easy to get parts for and its not too expensive.

i also need help with the electronics... im thinking that i would go with a 17.5 brushless motor but i have no idea on what brands, or what motors are good. same thing with the ESC i really dont know.. i have been looking at AE motors and ESC's i really dont know what i should be looking for.

also the battery.. i'm i suppose to go with a lipo 1s, a NiCD, or a NiMH?? How many mAh battry should i be looking for (the higher the better right)

im not looking to spend a fortune on this build, but i want something good that will not put me at a disadvantage next to other racers.

thank you so much for your help in advance.
Well your choice of battery is going to have quite an impact on the chassis you choose. I would suggest going with a link suspension car because it is alread LiPo friendly where T-Bar cars are a bit more difficult. The 12R5 is a great choice but there are lots of other great choices out there like the BMI, CRC, or SpeedMerchant cars. Any of those will work well for you.
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I am just trying to set-up my new X12 and was wondering if somebody could tell me where they put all of their electronics including the 1S LiPo and how to mount it on the chassis for the best balance? Also running a brushless motor and am pretty sure that this needs to be spaced out aswell. Any info or pictures would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
I cannot comment on the layout of electronics and 1s with this car but just so you know Gavin at Speedzone is releasing a new 1s split pack soon that will fit all the t-bar cars. He will be anounceing a release date for this new pack on Fri per his post on the S120 thread.

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I have been thinking about getting a 1/12 scale but i need help. i know nothing about electric cars(i have focused on nitro touring). i have done alot of research but i still have a lot of questions

Basically i have been looking at the Xray Xii(#1 option right now), the Serpent s120, and the AE 12R5.1

i have no experience in 1/12 pan cars what so ever.. i just need a car that will be easy to setup and maintain, that is strong to handle crashes(specially sence im new to the class im expecting alot of those), will be easy to get parts for and its not too expensive.

i also need help with the electronics... im thinking that i would go with a 17.5 brushless motor but i have no idea on what brands, or what motors are good. same thing with the ESC i really dont know.. i have been looking at AE motors and ESC's i really dont know what i should be looking for.

also the battery.. i'm i suppose to go with a lipo 1s, a NiCD, or a NiMH?? How many mAh battry should i be looking for (the higher the better right)

im not looking to spend a fortune on this build, but i want something good that will not put me at a disadvantage next to other racers.

thank you so much for your help in advance.
Just my thoughts on your questions, I'd recomend lipo over nimh for avalibility and ease of use. As I posted earlier in this post a new 1s saddle pack is close and will fit a t-bar style if you go that route. I have the S120 myself and while its a nice well built car the slider mechanism on the t-bar can be a bit fiddily for a new 1/12 driver. The Xray is baised on the long proven L4 design and can be very fast and a little easier to setup. I myself like the the BMI DB12RR; it is in my opinion the easiest car for a begginner to drive and it can be ordered as a lipo specific kit. My personal recomendation would be to spend time at the track where you plan to race and see what cars are the most popular, it'll be much easier to get help if others are running the same car.

For electronics just make sure you go sensored, I really like my Tekin RS esc and a Futaba S9650 servo. There are more expensive options for both but I think these work well. The only motor I would stay away from is the Pulse line of motors, I've had bad luck with them. The new Novak balistic line is nice as you can change the stack instead of buying a new motor if you want to go up a class.

Good luck and have fun.
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Tell you what Doc...you buy Justin Poulson and I a late lunch Thursday as we pass through Spokaloo (on our way to Woodland for the TimeZoneII Gran Prix with Scotty Ernst!!) and we'll give you one.
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A better suggestion is to throw those onroad Spokaners in the back of the van with their stuff and bring them to the TZ race.

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