U.S. Vintage Trans-Am Racing
#7291
Tech Champion
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Get real. Please. Rob doesn't benefit financially from this decision any more than you or I do...to imply otherwise is a sad, sad thing.
You've done a lot to build VTA in your area, NOBODY questions that. The sad fact is that like racing everywhere, THINGS CHANGE.
AND WHY IS IT THAT NOBODY ACCEPTS THE ABSOLUTE INCONTROVERTIBLE 100% ACCURATE FACT THAT NO PERSON OR RACE GROUP HAS TO CHANGE A SINGLE DARN THING IF THEY GENUINELY BELIEVE STAYING WITH THE OLD IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO LOCALLY???!!!
We did not change here for over a year after the 2s / LiPo spec was introduced. Why? Because we were fairly certain that a change of that magnitude wasn't "right" for our local market. Just like we held off for a year before implementing brushless in spec classes, and introducing LiPos after ROAR approved them, etc. In that year I have been the only person locally who had a 2s / 21.5 car because I travel a fair bit and race with other clubs that had adopted the new (at the time) spec. The same with brushless...our club held out an additional year, I built brushless cars to accomodate racing elsewhere. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO "HAVE" TO CHANGE ARE THE COMPARATIVELY VERY FEW FOLKS WHO TRAVEL OUTSIDE THEIR AREA TO RACE...and they (we) are a VERY small minority of racers overall.
I don't know for sure that our club will adopt the new standard. I'm as cautiously confident as I can be that we will, but like anything we change here a vote will be taken.
You've done a lot to build VTA in your area, NOBODY questions that. The sad fact is that like racing everywhere, THINGS CHANGE.
AND WHY IS IT THAT NOBODY ACCEPTS THE ABSOLUTE INCONTROVERTIBLE 100% ACCURATE FACT THAT NO PERSON OR RACE GROUP HAS TO CHANGE A SINGLE DARN THING IF THEY GENUINELY BELIEVE STAYING WITH THE OLD IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO LOCALLY???!!!
We did not change here for over a year after the 2s / LiPo spec was introduced. Why? Because we were fairly certain that a change of that magnitude wasn't "right" for our local market. Just like we held off for a year before implementing brushless in spec classes, and introducing LiPos after ROAR approved them, etc. In that year I have been the only person locally who had a 2s / 21.5 car because I travel a fair bit and race with other clubs that had adopted the new (at the time) spec. The same with brushless...our club held out an additional year, I built brushless cars to accomodate racing elsewhere. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO "HAVE" TO CHANGE ARE THE COMPARATIVELY VERY FEW FOLKS WHO TRAVEL OUTSIDE THEIR AREA TO RACE...and they (we) are a VERY small minority of racers overall.
I don't know for sure that our club will adopt the new standard. I'm as cautiously confident as I can be that we will, but like anything we change here a vote will be taken.
#7292
Tech Champion
iTrader: (30)
Originally Posted by Kevin K
Hey Rob.....doesnt Novak have an exchange program for their motors? Cant you send in the motor you have now and exchange it for another model....like say take my current 21.5 and send it back in them for a 25.5?
Just wanted to make sure I was reading what was said before.
Just wanted to make sure I was reading what was said before.
if you got a 21.5SS Pro - you stuck until novak does what they need to do for the SS motor exchange
#7295
Company Representative
Hey Rob.....doesnt Novak have an exchange program for their motors? Cant you send in the motor you have now and exchange it for another model....like say take my current 21.5 and send it back in them for a 25.5?
Just wanted to make sure I was reading what was said before.
Just wanted to make sure I was reading what was said before.
1) 25.5 motor=more money invested. (see above)
2) Novak GTB (just got a Slyder in exchange for my burned-up GTB)= more money.
2) Novak GTB (just got a Slyder in exchange for my burned-up GTB)= more money.
Next week, we will test all of these approved controllers with the 25.5T motor, under identical load, and publish the test results.
#7297
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Join Date: Aug 2001
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Yes. We will add the SS Pro 25.5 to our BL Motor Service Replacement Options program.
#7298
Company Representative
Technically, we do not exchange your Ballistic 21.5 for a 25.5, but you can purchase the replacement Ballistic 25.5 wound stator.
#7300
Tech Champion
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I not sure why I'm even posting here. I only get to race a few times a year. I got out of tc racing because the fun went away. I heard about VTA, and jumped all over it! Now the rules are getting all screwed up!
1) 25.5 motor=more money invested.
2) Novak GTB (just got a Slyder in exchange for my burned-up GTB)= more money.
3) A DRIVER FIGURE?????= Dork-o-meter pegged to the moon! I'm an r/c racer not a modeler! If I wanted to paint interiors, I'd do plastic models and save a boatload of dough.
Why mess with an obviously successfull series? I REFUSE to spend any more money on a "marginalized" series.
1) 25.5 motor=more money invested.
2) Novak GTB (just got a Slyder in exchange for my burned-up GTB)= more money.
3) A DRIVER FIGURE?????= Dork-o-meter pegged to the moon! I'm an r/c racer not a modeler! If I wanted to paint interiors, I'd do plastic models and save a boatload of dough.
Why mess with an obviously successfull series? I REFUSE to spend any more money on a "marginalized" series.
And what was "harsh" about my response? It is obvious that Mike has made his decision...a decision for which I (and I'm quite certain none of the o-fishul USVTA leadership) hold no hard feelings. We understand. If I was going to be "harsh"...never mind. I sincerely offered my best wishes and would stand by that--I hope he has a great time whatever he decides.
"Harsh" is indicating people who actually LIKE the idea of the interior rule as, perhaps, pegging the "Dork-o-meter"...to the moon, no less. And "harsh" is denigrating a great series as "obviously marginalized" when it by no means is. HE just doesn't happen to like the direction chosen.
The fact is, VTA ain't gonna be everybody's cup of chowder. That was acknowledged from the very outset. Those of us who strongly disagreed when the change was made to 2s / 21.5 didn't throw up our hands and threaten to quit, we bought the gear and continued to race. Now that it's changing again (AFTER TWO FULL YEARS AND CHANGE OF THE EXISTING SPEC), a change with which I am obviously delighted, I'm going to be spending money just like everybody else. I've got 3 SS 21.5 motors that will probably be sent in to Novak for exchange. I wish they'd do an option to pay more and get the Ballistics in trade, but it's their call to make. Regardless their decision I've yet to see ANY other company offer so liberal an exchange policy as Novak have supported for years.
Last edited by Scottrik; 12-30-2009 at 03:09 PM.
#7301
Tech Champion
iTrader: (2)
Get real. Please. Rob doesn't benefit financially from this decision any more than you or I do...to imply otherwise is a sad, sad thing.
You've done a lot to build VTA in your area, NOBODY questions that. The sad fact is that like racing everywhere, THINGS CHANGE.
AND WHY IS IT THAT NOBODY ACCEPTS THE ABSOLUTE INCONTROVERTIBLE 100% ACCURATE FACT THAT NO PERSON OR RACE GROUP HAS TO CHANGE A SINGLE DARN THING IF THEY GENUINELY BELIEVE STAYING WITH THE OLD IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO LOCALLY???!!!
We did not change here for over a year after the 2s / LiPo spec was introduced. Why? Because we were fairly certain that a change of that magnitude wasn't "right" for our local market. Just like we held off for a year before implementing brushless in spec classes, and introducing LiPos after ROAR approved them, etc. In that year I have been the only person locally who had a 2s / 21.5 car because I travel a fair bit and race with other clubs that had adopted the new (at the time) spec. The same with brushless...our club held out an additional year, I built brushless cars to accomodate racing elsewhere. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO "HAVE" TO CHANGE ARE THE COMPARATIVELY VERY FEW FOLKS WHO TRAVEL OUTSIDE THEIR AREA TO RACE...and they (we) are a VERY small minority of racers overall.
I don't know for sure that our club will adopt the new standard. I'm as cautiously confident as I can be that we will, but like anything we change here a vote will be taken.
You've done a lot to build VTA in your area, NOBODY questions that. The sad fact is that like racing everywhere, THINGS CHANGE.
AND WHY IS IT THAT NOBODY ACCEPTS THE ABSOLUTE INCONTROVERTIBLE 100% ACCURATE FACT THAT NO PERSON OR RACE GROUP HAS TO CHANGE A SINGLE DARN THING IF THEY GENUINELY BELIEVE STAYING WITH THE OLD IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO LOCALLY???!!!
We did not change here for over a year after the 2s / LiPo spec was introduced. Why? Because we were fairly certain that a change of that magnitude wasn't "right" for our local market. Just like we held off for a year before implementing brushless in spec classes, and introducing LiPos after ROAR approved them, etc. In that year I have been the only person locally who had a 2s / 21.5 car because I travel a fair bit and race with other clubs that had adopted the new (at the time) spec. The same with brushless...our club held out an additional year, I built brushless cars to accomodate racing elsewhere. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO "HAVE" TO CHANGE ARE THE COMPARATIVELY VERY FEW FOLKS WHO TRAVEL OUTSIDE THEIR AREA TO RACE...and they (we) are a VERY small minority of racers overall.
I don't know for sure that our club will adopt the new standard. I'm as cautiously confident as I can be that we will, but like anything we change here a vote will be taken.
and its a strong possiblity that most in the southern areas will stay with the "old"...and run RCGT as our Pro VTA class( for adv esc)
#7302
Tech Champion
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That said, if I mis-read his quote he has my sincere appology.
#7303
Tech Regular
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Man I am just saying that most have concerns that they should be able to air there complaints. I'm sure Rob knew that the crap was going to hit the fan and he is accepting it. I know when I first read the rules I was like what the hell I figured a spec speedo but not a speedo and motor. LOL BTW I have 2 cars to buy for and this is the ONLY class my son and I race. BUT I will and go on. My only concern now is how the transition will go here locally.
#7304
Tech Champion
iTrader: (30)
its been an interesting 12 hours or so since they rules came out...everyone running the class is a little on edge trying to figure out how this will all play out
#7305
How could anyone think Darkside was greedy either...he's given damn near everything but the shirt off his back to build/support the local program. And how does HE benefit financially from the change? Not seeing it. My impression was that he isn't a shop owner, distributor, etc, that he's "just" an enthusiastic racer.
That said, if I mis-read his quote he has my sincere appology.
That said, if I mis-read his quote he has my sincere appology.