248LikesXray XB4 thread
01-23-2015, 09:58 AM
#6572
Tech Apprentice
aa ok
in the touring class i use silicone scotch dubleside tape and it work great.
in the touring class i use silicone scotch dubleside tape and it work great.
01-23-2015, 10:11 AM
#6573
01-23-2015, 10:31 AM
#6574
This has to be one of the single dumbest things I have ever read by a company rep and I can't believe anybody would eat this crap you're shoveling. you're telling me that the hangers are off on purpose to make up for the composite bulkheads being off? What a joke. If you know they're both off, why not just make them both properly? How about that?
This is nothing more than Xray trying get out of making this right for their customers. I had a LOSI SCTE and when it was found out that the diff pins inside the diffs were too soft, guess what losi did? They didn't come to us and say, "We made them out of soft steel on purpose so other components inside the diff wouldn't wear". No, they made a bunch of diff pins out of the right material and offered them up for free to their customers. When I bought my Tekno SCT410, it was from the first batch. Prior to release of the kit, but after they had already manufactured them, Tekno determined that the front suspension block was breaking under somewhat normal use. Guess what they did? No, they didn't come on here and say, "We kept it made from plastic because it's much lighter and that is an area where you want to keep weight off the chassis". Instead they included an aluminum suspension block in all the kits.
That's what companies who care about their products and their customers do. They don't offer up lame ass excuses for manufacturing defects.
This is nothing more than Xray trying get out of making this right for their customers. I had a LOSI SCTE and when it was found out that the diff pins inside the diffs were too soft, guess what losi did? They didn't come to us and say, "We made them out of soft steel on purpose so other components inside the diff wouldn't wear". No, they made a bunch of diff pins out of the right material and offered them up for free to their customers. When I bought my Tekno SCT410, it was from the first batch. Prior to release of the kit, but after they had already manufactured them, Tekno determined that the front suspension block was breaking under somewhat normal use. Guess what they did? No, they didn't come on here and say, "We kept it made from plastic because it's much lighter and that is an area where you want to keep weight off the chassis". Instead they included an aluminum suspension block in all the kits.
That's what companies who care about their products and their customers do. They don't offer up lame ass excuses for manufacturing defects.
. By this logic then all the rest of hte xray range will have twisted hinge pins due to screws in plastic (the touring cars, xb8 truggy, 2013 14 xb4s) hehehe.
01-23-2015, 10:50 AM
#6575
haha I think we are feeding the troll, albeit a pretty technical sounding one. Should wait for a response from Tyler or a known team guy .
By this logic then all the rest of hte xray range will have twisted hinge pins due to screws in plastic (the touring cars, xb8 truggy, 2013 14 xb4s) hehehe.
. By this logic then all the rest of hte xray range will have twisted hinge pins due to screws in plastic (the touring cars, xb8 truggy, 2013 14 xb4s) hehehe.
01-23-2015, 10:50 AM
#6576
Can someone with the older hangers measure theirs and see if they are off or not? Going by XRAYs explanation they should all be "asymmetrical".
01-23-2015, 11:03 AM
#6578
Tech Addict
iTrader: (11)
.6mm off
can someone post a picture of it with calipers. and cant we just use the plate and rear suspension holdes from the 2014 spec. I know this isnt something we should have to do, xray should send out new ones on the asap note if they are wrong. Just was wondering if the holders from 2014 will work as a temp fix
01-23-2015, 11:08 AM
#6579
Oh come on really!? Is this a damn joke!? Your telling me it's fine to have one side at 2.5 toe and the other at 3.5? You guys better swallow your pride and get this right for us. You can visibly see that the arm angles are off on each side. If this was the case then the old 5mm suspension holders would be the exact same. You guys dropped the ball and don't want to fess up to it. Seriously if you don't fix this issue im going to sell this car and never buy another xray car again.
01-23-2015, 11:30 AM
#6580
I don't have a setup station and you don't need one. You can visibly see that one arm is further away from the chassis over the other side. I aligned race cars for a living and I sure know what I'm seeing is very wrong. This issue must be resolved asap or I'm done with xray and the b.s. Reply from them is just ignorant as all hell.
01-23-2015, 11:31 AM
#6581
Some of you guys need to read previous posts before you type. There are pics checking the mount with calipers and a CMM report checking the hinge pin angles posted in the last few days. Here are the pics and CMM printout.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/m5h99p73q...MaJXbMJTa?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/m5h99p73q...MaJXbMJTa?dl=0
01-23-2015, 11:42 AM
#6582
So I just measure just about everything I could, from every angle I am capable of, and this is what I found-
The tab that the rear gearbox mounts on is symmetrical to the centerline of the chassis, as are both the long sides that run front to back. The gearbox is mounted in the center of the tab, and the rear hinge plate mounting holes are equal distance from the edges of the gearbox, as well as the edges of the tab that the gearbox mounts to. The rear front brace has the inserts the same distance out from the gearbox and also the chassis tab that the gearbox mounts to. Without the rear plate on, EVERYTHING appears to be perfectly symmetrical to the centerline of the chassis.
I cannot for the life of me find this .5mm anomally that they supposedly were accounting for when they built the rear hinge brace with "asymmetrical" holes. When I build the car with zero inserts in all 4 positions, and run a straight edge across the rear brace, not only is the difference visible, but every which way I measured things it put the tip of the right side arm about 1mm farther forward.
I don't want it to be the case, but everything I am seeing tells me that the response posted by Xraysupport is complete B.S., and a bit arrogant sounding to boot. If it even were true, with a "Legendary attention to detail", couldn't other parts have been altered so that things were symmetrical? Is this same "Legenday attention to detail" the same quality that had a manual with typos, setup sheets that were not physically possible, shock o-rings that have a sub par fit(IMO), a reversible diff that has one outdrive protrude farther than the other? Get down off the high horse, nobody's perfect, but at least be accountable.
If I notice that one of my axles has a wobble to it, should I use my "Legendary attention to detail" and bend the other one so they wobble in unison, or should I correct the the axle that is out of line? True of false, no matter which way I look at it, the response was bogus IMO, and makes Xray look bad either way.
The tab that the rear gearbox mounts on is symmetrical to the centerline of the chassis, as are both the long sides that run front to back. The gearbox is mounted in the center of the tab, and the rear hinge plate mounting holes are equal distance from the edges of the gearbox, as well as the edges of the tab that the gearbox mounts to. The rear front brace has the inserts the same distance out from the gearbox and also the chassis tab that the gearbox mounts to. Without the rear plate on, EVERYTHING appears to be perfectly symmetrical to the centerline of the chassis.
I cannot for the life of me find this .5mm anomally that they supposedly were accounting for when they built the rear hinge brace with "asymmetrical" holes. When I build the car with zero inserts in all 4 positions, and run a straight edge across the rear brace, not only is the difference visible, but every which way I measured things it put the tip of the right side arm about 1mm farther forward.
I don't want it to be the case, but everything I am seeing tells me that the response posted by Xraysupport is complete B.S., and a bit arrogant sounding to boot. If it even were true, with a "Legendary attention to detail", couldn't other parts have been altered so that things were symmetrical? Is this same "Legenday attention to detail" the same quality that had a manual with typos, setup sheets that were not physically possible, shock o-rings that have a sub par fit(IMO), a reversible diff that has one outdrive protrude farther than the other? Get down off the high horse, nobody's perfect, but at least be accountable.
If I notice that one of my axles has a wobble to it, should I use my "Legendary attention to detail" and bend the other one so they wobble in unison, or should I correct the the axle that is out of line? True of false, no matter which way I look at it, the response was bogus IMO, and makes Xray look bad either way.
01-23-2015, 11:43 AM
#6583
Now, when I assemble the car with zero inserts, but swap the rear left insert to a .5 deg, with the offset out to compensate for the "asymmetrical" holes in the brace, then take the same measurements from the straight edge, the tips of the arms are EXACTLY the same, I'm talking within .02mm! HELLO! Something is wrong here.
01-23-2015, 11:44 AM
#6584
Some of you guys need to read previous posts before you type. There are pics checking the mount with calipers and a CMM report checking the hinge pin angles posted in the last few days. Here are the pics and CMM printout.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/m5h99p73q...MaJXbMJTa?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/m5h99p73q...MaJXbMJTa?dl=0
01-23-2015, 11:53 AM
#6585
I have a '14 car, the screw holes in the mounts are .020" different to the hinge pin inserts holes, like you guys are seeing on the '15. However I measured the angle between the flat surface of the RR block to the flattest part of the a arm with the same insets on both sides and the angles of the arms are the same! Looks to me like Xray knows what they're doing and your toe angles are still correct even though the mounting of the plate is asymmetrical to the insert holes.