What makes it so wrong? You apply it to the tires not baby seals. Do you think the chemicals in other traction compounds are any more enviormentally friendly?

I think they used oil or diesel applied directly to the track for the most recent 1/8th buggy worlds. I suppose your against running any nitro car though so maybe thats not a good example.

Maybe Im making too big a deal of this (and I dont mean to take this out on you) but I think the green movement is out of control. Nobody wants to live in a poluted wasteland but it just seems like rather then actually enforce the current laws there is a huge push for more and more regulation every year and IMO its not a push to stop polution near as much as another opportunity for the government to take our money.

I mean this is the electric forum so everyone in here is running batteries. Do you know where your batteries come from and the conditions there? I bet its really appalling. Ive heard the battery factory for the Hybrid batteries (full size cars) has a near 1 mile dead zone surrounding it meanwhile here in the states hybrid owners get to feel like their saving the enviorment.

Im just saying lets be reasonable. Applying a thin coating of diesel to a tire that will be run on a dirt track has no effect on anything. All your really doing is reuniting one petroleum product with another to make it better for the conditions. I dont think anything will grow in hard packed clay anyway and if it did we'd kill it because it would be in the way.

Does anyone in here run at the tracks in Houston?

I prefer to huff Buggy Grip. It smells like victory.

Paragon is one of my favorite smells

Can someone explain to me why and how diesel helps the tires grip better?

as much as it makes me a sick bastard... I have to agree with you on this...LOL not that I am sniffing traction compound...LOL

there are a lot of chemicals that soften the rubber of the tires...diesel is one of them... I prefer Paragon or just plain ole 50/50 Simple Green...

I'd take a picture, but I'm hungry (and lazy) at the moment; so I'm going to head out to get some grub really quick, but here's a brief explination:

Looking at the car from the rear...
Right shock.
Top of shock.
Connect it to the shock tower with your nut using a 5.5 mm socket to secure the top of the shock to the vechile.

Right there. Ross and I didn't have a thin wall nut driver to get in there to tighten that nut down as far as it wanted to go, and it seemed like it was binding a little bit being on there the stock way. So we put a plastic 2mm thick bushing in there then put the nut on.

Needless to say the pressure from the landing pushed both the bushing and the nut right off. Hence.. listen to what the kit tells ya . At least in this situation

Couldn't you just get a super soft tire? I know they wear down faster but still....

Its not really the same thing... its really big in the carpet arena... where they literally spray down the carpet with a chemical like paragon and you also apply it to tires...

Super soft tires werent always an option and even if they were a super soft may not work as well as a sauced soft.

I didnt like the idea of using diesel either because it smells terrible and it isnt good to get on your skin but it was 1 second a lap difference and on a small clay track 1 second is huge. I tried a whole bunch of different things and no matter what it was I was 1 second a lap slower without it. So to be competitive I had to use it.

Eventually the track owner decided to outlaw slicks and that pretty much ended using diesel on the tires. I dont think anyone misses them either because the cars are more forgiving on treads

Tire sauce gives more of an adavantage the smoother and more hard packed a track is. This is why tire sauce is such an advantage on road vs a tire without.

But for dusty rough tracks, the tire sauce would wear off so quickly that I never saw a need for it.

I think all saucing for off-road should be banned. Everyone would then be on same playing field. That diesel goes somewhere and in 20 years you may be drinking it.

This buggy fantastic! Admittedly it is my first buggy but coming from a 4x4 sc to this is flat out insane and I love it.

One problem though is I get tons of oversteer when on power coming out of turns. I know throttle control is huge with this overpowered car but Im sure something can be done to keep the back end from swinging around so easily. Im running 27.5 wt in the shocks with 10x1.1 pistons and 553 fcr for the diffs. I was thinking about going to 5000 in the rear diff in the hopes to calm it down but I dont want to lose or slow the steering, the car dives and turns like Ive never felt with and I want to keep that attribute if possible (almost twitchy but I like how nimble it feels). Im running barcodes on a hardpacked high grip clay track. Any advice will be much appreciated. Thanks.

Oh and everything else is pretty set at the stock reccomendations.

-Thank you again for the recommendation. These packs just arrived today. I was testing my car initially with two Reedy 2s 35c packs. It was definitely fast, but was considering messing with the timing to give it a little more punch. Just tested the pro match packs and hooooooooly s!!! haha. Half throttle and the car was trucking... punch it to full and it's wheeling from a rolling start of around 35mph. This thing is insane. Was debating whether to hit the track this weekend (big race is 3hrs away) and now it's a no brainer. Wish I would have ordered more of these packs. Canceling my Gen Ace backorder as we speak.