Falcon engine of Tortorich had the same speed as any other engine in the semifinal ( i left before the final ). But it did not go any better than any other engine either. Only engine that was faster OS engine of John Hazlewood. Johns engine is the Recab OS V-spec modified engine. Look at it on www.recab.fr. I ran this engine at holland indoor race and made 10,30 one on tank and had better speed than three Rb ws7II in my subfinal.

I felt how tight the Falcon engine was just before the semi final and it felt like a brand new engine. This was the same engine he won the EFRA GP in France with, a couple of weeks before Hollandindoor.


For me it is not important that i have alot better speed than any others but engine has to be linear and not use a lot of fuel.

has anyone bought this engine and ran it yet or....atleast seen this engine first hand that is .......? the ninja line ?

I've been thinking about getting a second engine - and this might be the one. The info posted at Mugen Seiki is really slick. It almost makes you think you're buying the "next generation gotta have engine". Special this, special that ... What great marketing!

I do have a few questions: When new engines are released, do the manufacturers ever modify the engine shortly after it comes out based on customer experience and feedback? In other words, is there such thing as a version 1.1 that comes out a few months after version 1.0 comes out? Have any engines come out that have turned out to be lemons?

Thanks!

will be interesting to find out how the new Murnan Modified Ninja's perform.

Ninjas aint the next generation of engines after you have seen the Team Orion's REV .12. But it could be in between the team orion and the current generation...

Thanks Riketsu!

After reviewing the Wasp Rev info, I think that I can safely say that the Ninja is an evolutionary change and the Wasp Rev is a revolutionary change. The Wasp Rev video (http://www.teamorion.com/faq/wasp_rev.asp) does an excellent job of explaining the engineering changes that have been made. Wow! Very impressive! Much more impressive than what the Ninja has to offer!

Hmmmmmm... Looks like I might be switching my choice for a second engine!

Thats a nice way of looking at it. Honestly, Im would stay with the ninja. The Team Orion REV seems to have too many innovations that we do not know if they will work.

How does the NINJA 12 compare to OS 12TZ? I'm thinking about getting a NINJA 12 I already have OS 12TZ, How is it on gas mileage,power,etc. appreicate any feedback from NINJA owners.

Kinda hard when there are no current ninja owners

I think the wasp engines will not be any better that what we have today.

In the first presentation there where many ( in lack of better words) stupid claimes. F.eks: When the outlet of the crankshaft is made in an angle, like in the new wasp .12, the conrod will not be covering the hole erea of the crank outlet.

What bullshi...!

As long as the outlet of the crankshaft is in the back of the crank, it has to cover the outlet some time in one revelution. There is no other way to do it!

I thnik that Wasp is only a hype and will not do much to either fuelconsumption or power. I have a hard time seeing that it is a huge revelution in engine design. I am a car mechanick and there have not been many new things to four strokes in the last 100 years, in the mechanic erea.

PLEASE EXCUSE MY POOR ENGLISH!

Your english is fine.

English is fine Just need to a spell check handy.

you are joking right??

Fuel injection, variable valve timing, wasted spark, forced induction etc... the list goes on.

Well, lets see how many "new" things that have come, I stated in the mechanics of the engine, and wasted sparkplugs, EFI, AND "the list goes on" is just not a mecanical part of the engine but ad ons as computer technolegy and electrics has evolved over the years. So READ what i write before you answer.

"I am a car mechanick and there have not been many new things to four strokes in the last 100 years, in the mechanic erea."

You say fuel injection= not a mecanical part in a 4-stroke engine. If we shall call it a mecanical part, i think that kugelfisher had a mecanical injection unit made in the 50`s. not 100 years old but not new. this was also used on aircrafts before the 50`s i think. It was modiefied slightly to be used in automobiles.

Forced induction of air= well again, turbo and compressor is about 90-100 years old. Roots made his compressor in abaout 1910 or so, turbos came around the same time and was used in WW 1 in aircrafts. When they reached high altitude they needed a way to get more air in to the sylinders because the density of air is less. Inventor of the turbocharger was someone cald bushi or buchi, something like that.

Adjsutable valvetiming been around for quite a while. They have even made camshafts with camlobes that are hydraulik adjusted. camlobes are not cast in the crankshaft but "loose" on an axle. how it works, i do not know. Ferrari has another system, they have cut different profile in the camshaftlobe and slides the camshaft axial to get different valve timing. how old this system am i am not shure of but it is not very new design. I think he variable valve timing is 30-40 years old. Maby not old enough or you.

Almoast evrything you find on a modern car engine, in the mechanical parts erea are old news, but "re-invented" or made a little diffrent to be of better use in our engines since it was not made for car engines in the begining.

and the list goes on!!!!

The fact is you compared the evolution of this 2-stroke motor to that of a 4-stroke engine. The complexities of a 4 stroke motor require less "mechanical" advancement and more electrical integration and ancillaries that is true, but don’t forget they carry out similar functions, vvt and forced induction is a method in which to increase volumetric efficiency of the engine just like what we see with this 2 stroke motors new "radical" Angled gas channel and External slots. If your gonna compare these 2 engines and the method of producing power you just cant cancel out the electronics side, this is just how 4 strokes have evolved, its just there particular way of managing there air and fuel.
basically you just cant compare the differing engine cycles, that was my main point.