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I just run different tires, others do too.
These are the notes from Josh Cyrul's setup when he won the 2014 Mile High race "We actually ran the exact same set-up on all three cars (17.5, 13.5 & Mod). Only difference was the tires. 17.5 = JM Rear, XH Front. 13.5 = XM Rear, JH Front. Mod = XS Rear, JH Front.
Josh's 1st race with his Rev.8, TQ and Won all 3 classes!"
These are the notes from Josh Cyrul's setup when he won the 2014 Mile High race "We actually ran the exact same set-up on all three cars (17.5, 13.5 & Mod). Only difference was the tires. 17.5 = JM Rear, XH Front. 13.5 = XM Rear, JH Front. Mod = XS Rear, JH Front.
Josh's 1st race with his Rev.8, TQ and Won all 3 classes!"
Guys I had quite a problem yesterday: the track had huge grip and my front tyres were collecting a lot of dirt from the track. They became very sticky and the hair collected from the ground formed murbles which caused a very bad understeer; after 5 mins the car was loosing the hole steering.
Interestingly using tyre additive minimised that, but the track was so grippy that I couldn't use any sauce on the fronts... I tried Speedtech foam liquid and Corally tc2.
With sauce on fronts the car was just impossible to drive, no matter how little was the treated area, the front end was so aggressive that the car turned around at the back of the straight!!
I haven't been able to solve this problem. Any idea?
Interestingly using tyre additive minimised that, but the track was so grippy that I couldn't use any sauce on the fronts... I tried Speedtech foam liquid and Corally tc2.
With sauce on fronts the car was just impossible to drive, no matter how little was the treated area, the front end was so aggressive that the car turned around at the back of the straight!!
I haven't been able to solve this problem. Any idea?
Guys I had quite a problem yesterday: the track had huge grip and my front tyres were collecting a lot of dirt from the track. They became very sticky and the hair collected from the ground formed murbles which caused a very bad understeer; after 5 mins the car was loosing the hole steering.
Interestingly using tyre additive minimised that, but the track was so grippy that I couldn't use any sauce on the fronts... I tried Speedtech foam liquid and Corally tc2.
With sauce on fronts the car was just impossible to drive, no matter how little was the treated area, the front end was so aggressive that the car turned around at the back of the straight!!
I haven't been able to solve this problem. Any idea?
Interestingly using tyre additive minimised that, but the track was so grippy that I couldn't use any sauce on the fronts... I tried Speedtech foam liquid and Corally tc2.
With sauce on fronts the car was just impossible to drive, no matter how little was the treated area, the front end was so aggressive that the car turned around at the back of the straight!!
I haven't been able to solve this problem. Any idea?
Currently racing xray. I've tried a lot of different setting to get rid of that.
First, with no front sauce and a bad understeer I used a lot of caster and the stock front spring to help the car to keep the line at mid and exit corner. Nothing worked. Then I tried the other way around: eliminate caster and let the fronts to "scrub" at corner exit on power, to "grind " the murble out. Nothing.
Ok. Then I sauced. Finally the fronts kept clean but then I had impossible steering. I reduced tons of EPA and steering speed and EXP. Still impossible oversteer getting into the corner. Ok then I started swearing and added caster and a stiff CRC front spring. Gained very little stability but she started to diff out at hairpins. The sensibilty of the front end was so impossible that at 50percent of epa she would turn around if forcing the entry....
Ride height was 3.5-3.8-4.0 front to back. Enneti tyres 40 f 30 r. I played a lot with other parameters but the feeling remained the same. Other xrays on track were using my same rears and eventually softer 35 front, FULL SAUCED, and kept excellent stability and easyness. Only noticeable difference was their battery, in line, vs mine transverse.
I managed 13 hours of practice before calling it over.
Do you think that just the position of the cell can justify that difference??? I don't, but I'm not an expert
First, with no front sauce and a bad understeer I used a lot of caster and the stock front spring to help the car to keep the line at mid and exit corner. Nothing worked. Then I tried the other way around: eliminate caster and let the fronts to "scrub" at corner exit on power, to "grind " the murble out. Nothing.
Ok. Then I sauced. Finally the fronts kept clean but then I had impossible steering. I reduced tons of EPA and steering speed and EXP. Still impossible oversteer getting into the corner. Ok then I started swearing and added caster and a stiff CRC front spring. Gained very little stability but she started to diff out at hairpins. The sensibilty of the front end was so impossible that at 50percent of epa she would turn around if forcing the entry....
Ride height was 3.5-3.8-4.0 front to back. Enneti tyres 40 f 30 r. I played a lot with other parameters but the feeling remained the same. Other xrays on track were using my same rears and eventually softer 35 front, FULL SAUCED, and kept excellent stability and easyness. Only noticeable difference was their battery, in line, vs mine transverse.
I managed 13 hours of practice before calling it over.
Do you think that just the position of the cell can justify that difference??? I don't, but I'm not an expert
Currently racing xray. I've tried a lot of different setting to get rid of that.
First, with no front sauce and a bad understeer I used a lot of caster and the stock front spring to help the car to keep the line at mid and exit corner. Nothing worked. Then I tried the other way around: eliminate caster and let the fronts to "scrub" at corner exit on power, to "grind " the murble out. Nothing.
Ok. Then I sauced. Finally the fronts kept clean but then I had impossible steering. I reduced tons of EPA and steering speed and EXP. Still impossible oversteer getting into the corner. Ok then I started swearing and added caster and a stiff CRC front spring. Gained very little stability but she started to diff out at hairpins. The sensibilty of the front end was so impossible that at 50percent of epa she would turn around if forcing the entry....
Ride height was 3.5-3.8-4.0 front to back. Enneti tyres 40 f 30 r. I played a lot with other parameters but the feeling remained the same. Other xrays on track were using my same rears and eventually softer 35 front, FULL SAUCED, and kept excellent stability and easyness. Only noticeable difference was their battery, in line, vs mine transverse.
I managed 13 hours of practice before calling it over.
Do you think that just the position of the cell can justify that difference??? I don't, but I'm not an expert
First, with no front sauce and a bad understeer I used a lot of caster and the stock front spring to help the car to keep the line at mid and exit corner. Nothing worked. Then I tried the other way around: eliminate caster and let the fronts to "scrub" at corner exit on power, to "grind " the murble out. Nothing.
Ok. Then I sauced. Finally the fronts kept clean but then I had impossible steering. I reduced tons of EPA and steering speed and EXP. Still impossible oversteer getting into the corner. Ok then I started swearing and added caster and a stiff CRC front spring. Gained very little stability but she started to diff out at hairpins. The sensibilty of the front end was so impossible that at 50percent of epa she would turn around if forcing the entry....
Ride height was 3.5-3.8-4.0 front to back. Enneti tyres 40 f 30 r. I played a lot with other parameters but the feeling remained the same. Other xrays on track were using my same rears and eventually softer 35 front, FULL SAUCED, and kept excellent stability and easyness. Only noticeable difference was their battery, in line, vs mine transverse.
I managed 13 hours of practice before calling it over.
Do you think that just the position of the cell can justify that difference??? I don't, but I'm not an expert
Front spring?
Center damper spring?
Center damper oil?
Side springs?
Pod droop?
Pod sag?
Side damper oil?
Camber?
Front toe?
Tire size? Front? Rear?
Inline battery setup is easier to drive and doesn't seem to snap in hard corners due to the on/off power transition. Transverse provides more on power rear bite and requires smoother power control cause the transition can cause the car to go from understeer to oversteer fast as well as causing the car to rotate and dig in on hard corners resulting in traction rolling issues depending on the tires (size in dia and shore).
41 mm f and 42 mm rears. Car well built, balanced and free. Hours spent on the bench with park payne's blog and on point vids hahaha!
Starting with same height f to r wouldn't lead to a lower rear & on power oversteer at the last minutes??
Inline battery setup is easier to drive and doesn't seem to snap in hard corners due to the on/off power transition. Transverse provides more on power rear bite and requires smoother power control cause the transition can cause the car to go from understeer to oversteer fast as well as causing the car to rotate and dig in on hard corners resulting in traction rolling issues depending on the tires (size in dia and shore).
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Guys I had quite a problem yesterday: the track had huge grip and my front tyres were collecting a lot of dirt from the track. They became very sticky and the hair collected from the ground formed murbles which caused a very bad understeer; after 5 mins the car was loosing the hole steering.
Interestingly using tyre additive minimised that, but the track was so grippy that I couldn't use any sauce on the fronts... I tried Speedtech foam liquid and Corally tc2.
With sauce on fronts the car was just impossible to drive, no matter how little was the treated area, the front end was so aggressive that the car turned around at the back of the straight!!
I haven't been able to solve this problem. Any idea?
Interestingly using tyre additive minimised that, but the track was so grippy that I couldn't use any sauce on the fronts... I tried Speedtech foam liquid and Corally tc2.
With sauce on fronts the car was just impossible to drive, no matter how little was the treated area, the front end was so aggressive that the car turned around at the back of the straight!!
I haven't been able to solve this problem. Any idea?
On yours, I can now see why it is so hard to drive your car. The stiff side springs and thick side tube lube is a huge factor. We run 10k in the tubes and Xray soft silver side springs. The straight ones not the coned ones. If I were you, I would change that right away. Also since it is an xray, use the long shock setup.
I'm using long center shock as per manual. I will definitely try softer side springs.
We don't follow the colour scale for tires. We differentiate between them by shore, like in nitro. We just divide them into the two big families of carpet tyres and asphalt tires, so I find always confusing all the discussions about pinks magentas blus dbl pinks etc....
We usually run 25 or 30s at the back and 30 to 40 at the front. This is the range more or less
We don't follow the colour scale for tires. We differentiate between them by shore, like in nitro. We just divide them into the two big families of carpet tyres and asphalt tires, so I find always confusing all the discussions about pinks magentas blus dbl pinks etc....
We usually run 25 or 30s at the back and 30 to 40 at the front. This is the range more or less
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I'm using long center shock as per manual. I will definitely try softer side springs.
We don't follow the colour scale for tires. We differentiate between them by shore, like in nitro. We just divide them into the two big families of carpet tyres and asphalt tires, so I find always confusing all the discussions about pinks magentas blus dbl pinks etc....
We usually run 25 or 30s at the back and 30 to 40 at the front. This is the range more or less
We don't follow the colour scale for tires. We differentiate between them by shore, like in nitro. We just divide them into the two big families of carpet tyres and asphalt tires, so I find always confusing all the discussions about pinks magentas blus dbl pinks etc....
We usually run 25 or 30s at the back and 30 to 40 at the front. This is the range more or less
If you only use tires from a single family it doesn't matter as much, but there have been some pretty good developments in tires over the past couple of years...
Currently racing xray. I've tried a lot of different setting to get rid of that.
First, with no front sauce and a bad understeer I used a lot of caster and the stock front spring to help the car to keep the line at mid and exit corner. Nothing worked. Then I tried the other way around: eliminate caster and let the fronts to "scrub" at corner exit on power, to "grind " the murble out. Nothing.
Ok. Then I sauced. Finally the fronts kept clean but then I had impossible steering. I reduced tons of EPA and steering speed and EXP. Still impossible oversteer getting into the corner. Ok then I started swearing and added caster and a stiff CRC front spring. Gained very little stability but she started to diff out at hairpins. The sensibilty of the front end was so impossible that at 50percent of epa she would turn around if forcing the entry....
Ride height was 3.5-3.8-4.0 front to back. Enneti tyres 40 f 30 r. I played a lot with other parameters but the feeling remained the same. Other xrays on track were using my same rears and eventually softer 35 front, FULL SAUCED, and kept excellent stability and easyness. Only noticeable difference was their battery, in line, vs mine transverse.
I managed 13 hours of practice before calling it over.
Do you think that just the position of the cell can justify that difference??? I don't, but I'm not an expert
First, with no front sauce and a bad understeer I used a lot of caster and the stock front spring to help the car to keep the line at mid and exit corner. Nothing worked. Then I tried the other way around: eliminate caster and let the fronts to "scrub" at corner exit on power, to "grind " the murble out. Nothing.
Ok. Then I sauced. Finally the fronts kept clean but then I had impossible steering. I reduced tons of EPA and steering speed and EXP. Still impossible oversteer getting into the corner. Ok then I started swearing and added caster and a stiff CRC front spring. Gained very little stability but she started to diff out at hairpins. The sensibilty of the front end was so impossible that at 50percent of epa she would turn around if forcing the entry....
Ride height was 3.5-3.8-4.0 front to back. Enneti tyres 40 f 30 r. I played a lot with other parameters but the feeling remained the same. Other xrays on track were using my same rears and eventually softer 35 front, FULL SAUCED, and kept excellent stability and easyness. Only noticeable difference was their battery, in line, vs mine transverse.
I managed 13 hours of practice before calling it over.
Do you think that just the position of the cell can justify that difference??? I don't, but I'm not an expert
anyway, try to keep front end - middle and rear ride height almost to the same, it helps on-power to off-power transitions and handling in direction changes a lot.



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