I think Green/Green is pretty Stiff/Soft I dont think changing a softer spring is going to do anything. If you dont have traction it's something else. Post the rest of your setup.

Also look at the taper pistons, notice that on the tapered side the piston holes themselves are larger.... Food for thought.... That's why even though they fit the shock bodies better, you have to use a much thicker oil of you went from a flat 1.7 to a tapered 1.7

Is your car ever not all over the place on those rough ol outdoor tracks you have said you race on? If you are going to claim that your car is all over the place on smooth indoor clay with the 1.7's...then there is something else going on with your ride.

My car on carpet with 1.7s felt bad, not enough pack. 1.6's felt great.

I set my car for the track I run on. I have other pistons and oils in my box in case I need to switch. The local indoor guys run 1.6's with black rear and brown fronts..... 32.5/30 oils. These are sponsored guys, not hacks like me, lol. Everyone I talked to here runs the 1.6's, in fact I am the only one running the 1.4's and i like them. I havea new video camera I want to try out. Maybe I will put the 8 year old to work on the camera this weekend. The last time i was on the track, the car felt great, I just could not see it for crap.

we need to see your entire setup.

Softer spring will cause the rear to lean more in the turns and make the car not jump as well. It will also give inconsistent grip. You'll think you have tons of bite and then go into a turn and it will lean hard and break loose.

Harder spring will make the car roll less and jump further. It can give you less grip but more consistent because it won't break loose from rolling too much.

get touring car wheel dots and slap one right on the roof of the car or on the windows. they are usually fluorescent and you can peel it off after

a guy at the track put reflective tape on his wing and windows. Another guy said he wont be back, lol. Its not just me that cant see, lol.

Effects of Shock Spring Changes

Softer

Increased Chassis Roll
Increased Traction
Better in Bumpy Conditions
More Likely to Bottom Out

Stiffer

Decreased Chassis Roll
Decreased Traction
Increased Responsiveness

You are absolutely right...and my bad for insinuating any type of judgement when I haven't even been on the dirt you race on.

blister, I have a decent idea of what is wrong and things I can do to fix it. I no longer require the copying of the pros, as I ultimately found it useless. I was at our indoor track last weekend and the pro were all saucing. I asked about the sauce and was told its secret. I run no sauce. Those guys are doing things they dont put on their setup sheets. When it comes right down to it, you need a good stating point and some time and money to try out different oils, pistons, springs, weight and roll centers that work for you on your track. That is where I am currently in my RC "career". Here is a funny thing. I was trying a lot of setups and making changes, A hubs, C hubs, oils, pistons springs, camber gain and finally got my car to there I liked it. Then someone asked me were I would start an outdoor setup. I starting telling him where i would start, then decided to look up the b4.2 standard kit setup and realized that was 98% of my setup. My shock package is a slightly different, but the rest was exactly the same. So now when people as me where to start for outdoor track, I say try the kit setup with 1/4 oz in each rear triangle and 1/2oz next to receiver. Then play with spring, pistons and A/C hubs to find what you like. The kit setup is actually very good and 90% of what you need. Just fine tune it for your track. And most of the fine tuning seems to be in the shocks or A vs C hub.

The pro's usually never drive outside the groove and carry more corner speed. It just makes sense that we don't copy them unless you are a really good driver. My track gets a little dusty and me and a pro are just not even driving on the same dirt.

I totally agree...but who's "blister"?

wow, now picking on my learning disability....it never stops.

Hideeho
your fingers must get tired correcting people on your name!

I have some tire sauce... I use tire sauce... It doesn't fix a bad setup... It does even less for bad driving. Once you have a good setup & can drive, it CAN make a decent difference in lap times.