The AE FActory Team B44.2 Thread
01-17-2013 | 10:15 AM
#2236
Tech Legend
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 22,595
From: TRCR Modified Driver
That's a generalization that doesn't hold true on every track. Removing washers has helped at our track. It depends on the track. At our track, 2 washers is slick as snot. Dead serious. It's horrible.
Everyone should tune ball stud washers and use what works for them and not use/make generalizations. Ball stud washers are the final fine tuning that is most often changed for me along with shock oil.
I setup a B44.1 with big bores for a friend for the midwest winter champs and we ended up with zero washers front and rear. He came in 3rd in one of his qualifiers ahead of cav and 2 spots behind tebo. He ended up qualifying 5th and taking 8th overall in 4wd and loved his car.
This was with ZERO washers. On other tracks, 2 washers on his car was best. It depends on the track.
If he had 2 washers before we started working. Absolute poop. If 2 washers always made more grip, all the team setups would have it that way.
We, as a group on the internet, need to stay away from making generalizations about things, especially those of us who are most listened to.
Wayne
Everyone should tune ball stud washers and use what works for them and not use/make generalizations. Ball stud washers are the final fine tuning that is most often changed for me along with shock oil.
I setup a B44.1 with big bores for a friend for the midwest winter champs and we ended up with zero washers front and rear. He came in 3rd in one of his qualifiers ahead of cav and 2 spots behind tebo. He ended up qualifying 5th and taking 8th overall in 4wd and loved his car.
This was with ZERO washers. On other tracks, 2 washers on his car was best. It depends on the track.
If he had 2 washers before we started working. Absolute poop. If 2 washers always made more grip, all the team setups would have it that way.
We, as a group on the internet, need to stay away from making generalizations about things, especially those of us who are most listened to.
Wayne
Adding spacers under the stud's makes for more grip ....
works for
all tracks & on any surface.....
01-17-2013 | 10:21 AM
#2238
01-17-2013 | 10:24 AM
#2239
I'm looking to lock the rear down a bit more. Unfortunately we have to run at the end of the day and it gets kinda dry and loose out there. On corner entry up to the apex on a tight 180 the rear likes to slide a tad to much. Sometimes I feel like I need to tip toe more than I'd like into a turn but then hit it once I'm on corner exit. I try to carry speed into a turn off power and rail, then get on throttle.I just need to have a bit more rear grip and I'll be set, diff setup F or R maybe?
I love it.
01-17-2013 | 10:28 AM
#2242
Lower inner ball stud raises roll center.
If your roll center is too high, lowering it adds traction.
If your roll center is too low, raising it adds traction.
Roll center tuning 101 right here. Try to not get stuck in generalization land.
Last edited by Razathorn; 01-17-2013 at 10:29 AM. Reason: got it backwards, lol
01-17-2013 | 10:29 AM
#2243
Tech Legend
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 22,595
From: TRCR Modified Driver
01-17-2013 | 10:38 AM
#2245
If they realized the error of their ways -- so can you. I have personally found less washers making the rear have way more grip at our track, but at other tracks, more washers was better.
All I can do is offer my experience and empirical results.
01-17-2013 | 10:47 AM
#2246
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 15,743
From: RIP 'Chopper', 4/18/13 miss you bud:(
When I joined I saw how long you were a member and your post count. So I thought I would pay homage to your birth date..
There's a thread in the chat lounge "What does your user name mean"
my full explanation is in there if ya wanna know that bad.
There's a thread in the chat lounge "What does your user name mean"
my full explanation is in there if ya wanna know that bad.
01-17-2013 | 10:47 AM
#2247
A Razathorn is a combination or razor and thorn. It's something I made up when I was 14 in '94 and wanted a cool character name for some budding dialup bulletin board games. It stuck. It was the "WoW character name" of the nerds of that era.
01-17-2013 | 10:51 AM
#2249
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 15,743
From: RIP 'Chopper', 4/18/13 miss you bud:(
Cherry, it's more fun if he doesn't.
01-17-2013 | 10:57 AM
#2250
I'm sorry if this comes off as harsh, but you're the king of generalizations, and people listen to you like it's gospel, and it hurts them. There has to be a counter balance to this, and that is me. I'm not going to quit.
I will be civil, but I will not be quiet. I suggest you brush up on your debate skills.
Wayne
I will be civil, but I will not be quiet. I suggest you brush up on your debate skills.
Wayne