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Old 03-14-2012 | 08:38 AM
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What exactly are limiters? I'be read ppl put anywhere from 2 to 5 but I don't know what they are talking about and what does it do for you?
Adding or subtracting limiters front and rear and let you change the weight balance of your car slightly. Say you have a slight push coming out of a corner on-power, you can try adding a limiter to the front shocks to keep it from "unloading" all the weight to the rear of the car. Make sense? Kinda?
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Old 03-14-2012 | 09:03 AM
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I notice on most of Cavalieri setups he runs 0 degree front camber and 1/2 rear camber. Why does he run so little of camber and how does the handling feel compared to running more camber?
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Old 03-14-2012 | 09:20 AM
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I notice on most of Cavalieri setups he runs 0 degree front camber and 1/2 rear camber. Why does he run so little of camber and how does the handling feel compared to running more camber?
The easiest way to find out is to try it yourself, its a 1 min change and you can determine if it works for you.
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Old 03-14-2012 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by SAGISI
I notice on most of Cavalieri setups he runs 0 degree front camber and 1/2 rear camber. Why does he run so little of camber and how does the handling feel compared to running more camber?
The car will be slightly more responsive with less. Mostly I judge how muh camber to run by how smooth or rough the surface is. Most of the tracks the pro setups are from are very well manicured tracks, very smooth. If your surface is rough or rutted try running -1 all around. That's what I typically use.
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Old 03-14-2012 | 09:44 AM
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I usually run -1/2 deg camber all the way around. But I do it for a different reason. I'm such a horrible tire gluer that I almost always have 1/2 deg extra either way I really need to just stop being cheap and use a set of setup rims. Not like I don't have enough
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Old 03-14-2012 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob Barry
really need to just stop being cheap and use a set of setup rims. Not like I don't have enough
yep i have a spare front and rear rims i use just for setting camber when im home lol
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Old 03-14-2012 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SAGISI
I notice on most of Cavalieri setups he runs 0 degree front camber and 1/2 rear camber. Why does he run so little of camber and how does the handling feel compared to running more camber?
a 1/5 degree makes a world of diffrence. changed mine saturday and had a lot more planted feeling and more stable turn in. i am around 1/5 degree front and 0 in the rear. decent smooth track.

try changing it by 1 degree in the middle of a run +/- and see. very quick and simple set up change that is valuable and worth knowing. i would not believe it my self if my friend had not pulled it off the track and changed it then put me back out.
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Old 03-14-2012 | 12:26 PM
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My worlds car is 3 weeks old. I have at least 2-3 deg. of play. Not to mention bent rims and bad glue jobs. I severely doubt that anyone is getting it that spot on. Well, they might think they are at least.
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Old 03-14-2012 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by flippz
a 1/5 degree makes a world of diffrence. changed mine saturday and had a lot more planted feeling and more stable turn in. i am around 1/5 degree front and 0 in the rear. decent smooth track.

try changing it by 1 degree in the middle of a run +/- and see. very quick and simple set up change that is valuable and worth knowing. i would not believe it my self if my friend had not pulled it off the track and changed it then put me back out.
did you mean 1/2 degree?
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Old 03-14-2012 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveW
Too many limiters will let that end of the car drop into the rough stuff... instead of just the tire. The car will bounce around because it doesnt have enough downtravel.

Maybe you should try less limiters, and try moving the rear upper shock position out a hole, but go down a rate on the spring (so if you were running green go to black... only as an example). See if that gives you a little more on power steering... and helps solve the rough stuff issue in one shot.

What inserts are you running in your tires?
well im running the losi reds up front with whites in the rear, i also have losi oranges for the front. I run proline closed cell foams, just because they seem a tad bit softer than AKAs.
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Old 03-14-2012 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jirish617
well im running the losi reds up front with whites in the rear, i also have losi oranges for the front. I run proline closed cell foams, just because they seem a tad bit softer than AKAs.
Closed cell/molded foams can cause the car to bounce when compared to the open cell 'old style' foams.

In 1/8th scale, it doesnt seem to make as much of a difference as it does in 1/10th.
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Old 03-14-2012 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by onefast8
My worlds car is 3 weeks old. I have at least 2-3 deg. of play. Not to mention bent rims and bad glue jobs. I severely doubt that anyone is getting it that spot on. Well, they might think they are at least.
Agreed, a lot of it is mental. BUT, when you DO make sure all of those things are spot on... then small increments make a difference.

Even tire pattern can make differences with the amount of camber used.

Again as mentioned... track surface plays a huge role in this... and the loamier/looser the track is... the less its played with.
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Old 03-14-2012 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SAGISI
I notice on most of Cavalieri setups he runs 0 degree front camber and 1/2 rear camber. Why does he run so little of camber and how does the handling feel compared to running more camber?
Generally less camber gives more grip, but a less progressive breakaway at the limit. It also wont slide through bumps as well.

Normally: 0-0.5 deg low traction, smooth track
1deg: usual
2 deg: bumpy / rutted track



5 limiters in the front shock is what the Paul Wynn setup called for. The car handles pretty good, I just wanted to pick up a tad bit more exit steering
If you are running on the inside hole on the front arm, 5 limiters is OK. Lesson here: post you full setup, not just one part of it.

If you want exit steering, also consider:
- moving weight forward a little (big change, make sure you dont lose too much forward traction elsewhere)
- raise rear roll centre

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Old 03-14-2012 | 01:41 PM
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If I am using the factory team .5 rear hub carriers with the 2.5 toe block, does that give me a total of 3, or 3.5? In other words, are the carriers .5 per side, or do they create .5 total?
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Old 03-14-2012 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Slashed Income
If I am using the factory team .5 rear hub carriers with the 2.5 toe block, does that give me a total of 3, or 3.5? In other words, are the carriers .5 per side, or do they create .5 total?
its measured per side...so with the 2.5 plus the .5 you have a total of 3 per side.
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