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Nimble,
A: I wouldn't want to replace my M8. I like the ergonomics of my M8, I'm used to my M8, and I have all my (9) profiles set up on my M8. That's one reason I like the Spektrum system or the Novak Switch (which I also have) - I get to keep my M8. I know that many other racers feel the same way about their controllers. B: I checked with the ARRL's site about Rule 15 (which is the rule you were alluding to and is the rule that is quoted on the backs of most radio equipment). Most people are misinformed about it and that seems to be RCCA's problem - but it's most of OUR problem too. The rule does state that "operation of an intentional, unintentional, or incidental radiator is submect to the conditions that no harmful interference is caused and that interference must be accepted that may be cuased by the operation of an authorized radio station, by another intentional or unintentional radiator, by industrial, scientific and medical (ISM) equipment, or by an incidental radiator." Most people interpret this as meaning that radio devices can't interfere with other radio devices. RCCA obviously interpreted this in this way. Spektrum has stated that they have put safeguards in place to minimize this interference and to make sure that it doesn't impact our cars. I'm somewhat familiar with packet transmission technology which is one of the basic methods used at the 2.4GHz band. C: it seems pretty cheap to come on here, the Spektrum thread, and promote your product even only by alluding to it. If I can quote elcid. . . I simply HATE it when someone comes and tries to capitalize on someone else's problems. It happens all the time here. . . We're here trying to figure out this product. We're the users of THIS product, not your little radio - which may be all good, but it's not an M8, 3PK, etc. which is what we're USING. So, either use your expertise with DSM technology to help us (which will make YOU look good, btw) or . . . well, be nice. . . :D |
Originally posted by Boomer Nimble, A: I wouldn't want to replace my M8. I like the ergonomics of my M8, I'm used to my M8, and I have all my (9) profiles set up on my M8. That's one reason I like the Spektrum system or the Novak Switch (which I also have) - I get to keep my M8. I know that many other racers feel the same way about their controllers. B: I checked with the ARRL's site about Rule 15 (which is the rule you were alluding to and is the rule that is quoted on the backs of most radio equipment). Most people are misinformed about it and that seems to be RCCA's problem - but it's most of OUR problem too. The rule does state that "operation of an intentional, unintentional, or incidental radiator is submect to the conditions that no harmful interference is caused and that interference must be accepted that may be cuased by the operation of an authorized radio station, by another intentional or unintentional radiator, by industrial, scientific and medical (ISM) equipment, or by an incidental radiator." Most people interpret this as meaning that radio devices can't interfere with other radio devices. RCCA obviously interpreted this in this way. Spektrum has stated that they have put safeguards in place to minimize this interference and to make sure that it doesn't impact our cars. I'm somewhat familiar with packet transmission technology which is one of the basic methods used at the 2.4GHz band. C: it seems pretty cheap to come on here, the Spektrum thread, and promote your product even only by alluding to it. If I can quote elcid. . . I agree. We're here trying to figure out this product. We're the users of THIS product, not your little radio - which may be all good, but it's not an M8, 3PK, etc. which is what we're USING. So, either use your expertise with DSM technology to help us (which will make YOU look good, btw) or . . . well, be nice. . . :D |
Thanks dude! :D
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Originally posted by N4S Formula1fan........ Sup man. You shouldnt have any problem voltage wise with the keyence. Check out the specs. I am not positive but i think it has the highest bec on the market. 6 volt 3 amp output. Crazy power compaired to other esc's. I installed a secong reciever as my first was DOA and its seems to work ok I also added the cap for the sake of doing so , give it all i can. |
Originally posted by nimble Boomer, The FCC rules prohibit marketing of radio equipment until it has FCC Certification. Displaying it at a trade show or having a magazine do a review would be marketing.. Spektrum might have violated this rule, I dunno, I asked them for their FCC authorization number, and got no response. I have looked up their FCC certification once I saw an actual unit as the rules require the number to be put on the equipment. It was granted 10/22/2004. I couldn't find it myself because it is not granted to Spektrum or Horizon, it is a Fremont company's radio board that uses a wireless USB chip made by Cypress Semiconductor. It has a "high-speed" mode that is equivalent to a 56K modem.. Now speed doesn't seem like a big issue, servo's require a 8-16ms delay after sending them a command that takes 2ms to send. The issue is two-fold. if data takes longer to transmit, it is more prone to get lost/corrupted. If it must be resent, a slow system will miss the 8ms update window. That means a real delay in car response. If you look back a few posts, I have said I have been using our 2.4ghz system for almost a year now, racing with it every week. It has been mostly trouble free, a number of improvements have been made, mostly to reduce the size of the receiver and make it more reliable in the face of harsh treatment. The version to be submitted for FCC approval will be in a couple weeks. An issue has been what range is required, the current system will go about 120-feet, that seems far enough to me, but I haven't been to many tracks outside california. At the risk of giving out too much info, a picture of the transmitter, and the reciever boards can be found here. I will be looking for feedback from racers on the system soon. Look, if you bought a spektrum and it works for you that is great. Given the reviews and marketing why wouldn't you!? My complaint is two fold, we were the innovators here, not Spektrum. And two, the review by Steve Pond in Car Action is full of unqualified misinformation, e.g. FCC requires technology so systems "absolutely can't interfer with other devices". Nothing is further from the truth! The rules are you must deal with any interference you get! We have a FHSS system. Sure if you use a FHSS designed for networking or USB, it will work badly for R/C. We have designed our own proprietary protocol that is being patented for real time control. I could go on, but I don't want to bash Steve, he was given this information from someone else. Technically, Nomadio was the first to bring their product to the public and create a stir. Whatever delay they had in production was unfortunate, but it shows you can be first to show something but you have to be first to market to really make it work. |
You ruined my under carriage........WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Nimble:
"An issue has been what range is required, the current system will go about 120-feet, that seems far enough to me, but I haven't been to many tracks outside california." It would seem to me that a system (not the Spektrum) with a max range of 120' (and I assume that is under ideal conditions (outside)) will prove to be a BIG problem. |
However, nobody was saying anything about any other system so how could we intuit that you had one? so I say something and show it, and in fact point out why it's better, and then I see complaints about that!! You guys kill me. I will create another thread. The fact is interference in an unlicensed band like 2.4Ghz is a critical issue, to have it dismissed, wait not just dismissed, but be told "absolutely can't interfer" is just plain irresponsible. I was told about Nomadio's system, by someone who told me I didn't have an FCC license yet and I could be fined for using my system! |
I dont really want to get involved in this "Discussion" but I have seen people use the Spektrum and take it out. I have seen people use the spektrum and love it. I personally use an M8 with a switch and NEVER (knock on wood) had a problem at ANY event I have attended. I like the "if it ain't broke, dont fix it" policy myself. I will just throw this in the fire. If it is the $HIT (meaning the Spektrum) how come NONE of the "BIG" names were using it at the Birds or any other race so far ? Not to stir anything up ok. Dont take my words out of context or say I am pointing fingers at people. I AM NOT This is just my own personal $0.02.
-EG |
Nimble,
Of course your system is better, it's yours. Unfortunately no one here can actually try it, so I guess we'll have to take YOUR word for it. Does the Spektrum have issues, it would be irresponsible to say no....will they fix them? I have faith that they will. I don't know jack about any of this stuff, don't care who has certificates for what, or who made a mistake about saying what........... but I do know when someone is trying to put a spin on something. |
I... how come NONE of the "BIG" names were using it ... If we only used what they use we'd all ahve the same stuff. Use what you like, if it works for you GREAT, if not... No one makes any of use buy this stuff... E |
See thats the reason I stay out of these "Discussions"...We do use the same stuff as "Them"...Everyone that runs a Losi runs what MF, BK etc have. Everyone that Runs an Assoiciated has the same thing their guys run. If yourun an M8 you run the same "They" have. You cant say we would all have the same thing because basically we do. It just depends on what Brand you are running there. If you run a Losi JrXS ans so do I. Weel we have the same thing dont we ?
-EG |
Originally posted by nimble Gee, Boomer complains nobody was saying anything about other products, that talk is cheap, so I say something and show it, and in fact point out why it's better, and then I see complaints about that!! You guys kill me. I will create another thread. Obviously what I meant was that nobody else had said anything about anything they were doing. NOW that Spektrum has released a product and people are adopting, NOW you come out and say "well, I've had something in development for a year and I've been using it for a year, and it's superior, yada yada yada" - yep, that kind of talk is cheap. On the other hand, it's NOT illegal to say that you're in development of a crystal-less product, and it's pending FCC approval. It happens all the time. Had you said something like that 3 months or so ago when we all started seeing the Spek hype, well there might have been Nimble hype. Now it's just spoilsport talk. |
yeah, we do pretty much have the same stuff, I was just poking at ya ;)
there's only so much to buy in the rc world. E |
Its all good man...This is actually pretty damn funny to me....But thats just the way I perseve things I guess...This is my JOB and I dont even take it that serious you know. Oh well...To each their own I guess...
-EG |
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