Pro Trak
11-18-2004 | 03:19 PM
#196
11-18-2004 | 03:24 PM
#198
Tech Adept
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 238
From: Omaha, NE
picco007 - thanks for the reply, but I am looking for the pinout of the connector not what type it is.
I think I have given up hope of modifying my old ICS so if anyone is looking for one I am selling it cheap.
Also if anyone has a new ICS or a temp detect module I am looking for one.
I think I have given up hope of modifying my old ICS so if anyone is looking for one I am selling it cheap.
Also if anyone has a new ICS or a temp detect module I am looking for one.
11-19-2004 | 09:04 AM
#199
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Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 101
Hi all,
The newest version 10.72 seems work much better than before. Charging is better as it has a lower temperature. However did anyone figure out that it is unable to set the delta peak when charging and there is no pack match and pack assessment after discharge?
Thanks!
The newest version 10.72 seems work much better than before. Charging is better as it has a lower temperature. However did anyone figure out that it is unable to set the delta peak when charging and there is no pack match and pack assessment after discharge?
Thanks!
11-19-2004 | 10:31 AM
#200
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Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 841
From: Nor Cal
Hi Mr4
I must admit, I never changed the delta during charge so i have no idea if it could be done before. You are right in saying it cannot be done now unless I am missing something.
I'm running a cycle right now so I'll let you know about the other things you have asked about.
Chris.
I must admit, I never changed the delta during charge so i have no idea if it could be done before. You are right in saying it cannot be done now unless I am missing something.
I'm running a cycle right now so I'll let you know about the other things you have asked about.
Chris.
11-20-2004 | 08:46 AM
#204
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Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 101
Hi all,
In the web page "www.pro-trak.co.uk', they describe CDAT in 10.72 could toggle reference charge with different charge types. However I found only a function call "S.A.L" in my newest ROM(10.72). In function S.A.L. I just only about to toggle between different cell types. Would you pls. tell me how to use this function? Thanks!
In the web page "www.pro-trak.co.uk', they describe CDAT in 10.72 could toggle reference charge with different charge types. However I found only a function call "S.A.L" in my newest ROM(10.72). In function S.A.L. I just only about to toggle between different cell types. Would you pls. tell me how to use this function? Thanks!
11-20-2004 | 09:04 AM
#205
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Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 841
From: Nor Cal
Hi All,
I spoke with Pro Trak today and have some answers for you. The short answer is, some meaningless results were eliminated so you would not get a false impression of your cells. The best way to explain this is by an example.
Given a discharge cut off of 1v per cell this is the end volts at the end of discharge.
cell 1 .95
cell 2 .50
cell 3 1.03
cell 4 .86
Cell 2 has hit .5v, this triggers the Pro Trak to stop the charge
Cells 1,2 and 4 have gone past 1v, the count for those cells have been terminated and recorded when they hit 1v (which you specified). Cell 3 has not got to 1 volt it's numbers cannot be recorded to the 1v point therefore any match numbers given will be innaccurate.
Up to this version the pack match has been an average of the percentages from each cell. with a 1v cutoff cell 1 would be 95% cell 2 50% etc. When you have one high cell and one low cell they will tend to average each other out and you will get a false indication of a reasonably matched set of cells.
The higher you set the cut off point, the more likely it is that the cells will all reach that point before the first one gets to 0.5v. However, the higher the cutoff the lower the total capacity of the pack will be. My thoughts about this is - Your pack is only as good as your weakest cell - When your weakest cell is done you aren't going to be getting much speed in your car on the track. Therefore any extra time, in the other cells is worthless.
If you have any questions please ask.
Chris.
I spoke with Pro Trak today and have some answers for you. The short answer is, some meaningless results were eliminated so you would not get a false impression of your cells. The best way to explain this is by an example.
Given a discharge cut off of 1v per cell this is the end volts at the end of discharge.
cell 1 .95
cell 2 .50
cell 3 1.03
cell 4 .86
Cell 2 has hit .5v, this triggers the Pro Trak to stop the charge
Cells 1,2 and 4 have gone past 1v, the count for those cells have been terminated and recorded when they hit 1v (which you specified). Cell 3 has not got to 1 volt it's numbers cannot be recorded to the 1v point therefore any match numbers given will be innaccurate.
Up to this version the pack match has been an average of the percentages from each cell. with a 1v cutoff cell 1 would be 95% cell 2 50% etc. When you have one high cell and one low cell they will tend to average each other out and you will get a false indication of a reasonably matched set of cells.
The higher you set the cut off point, the more likely it is that the cells will all reach that point before the first one gets to 0.5v. However, the higher the cutoff the lower the total capacity of the pack will be. My thoughts about this is - Your pack is only as good as your weakest cell - When your weakest cell is done you aren't going to be getting much speed in your car on the track. Therefore any extra time, in the other cells is worthless.
If you have any questions please ask.
Chris.
Last edited by crimson eagle; 11-20-2004 at 09:18 AM.
11-20-2004 | 10:26 AM
#206
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Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 841
From: Nor Cal
Hi all,
just to prove the point I ran another cycle with the cut off set to 1.1v which is very high. all of the cells went past 1.1v before the first cell hit 0.5v and the pack match and assessment were given. In this case one of the cells was at 68% and the others were at around 95%. At 1.0v cut off 0.5v before all of the others get to 1.0v, this terminates the charge early. This does surprise me actually as this set is very new, maybe 8-10 cycles on them. I expected a better match.
Chris.
just to prove the point I ran another cycle with the cut off set to 1.1v which is very high. all of the cells went past 1.1v before the first cell hit 0.5v and the pack match and assessment were given. In this case one of the cells was at 68% and the others were at around 95%. At 1.0v cut off 0.5v before all of the others get to 1.0v, this terminates the charge early. This does surprise me actually as this set is very new, maybe 8-10 cycles on them. I expected a better match.
Chris.
im not good with currency but i think its 1 dollar = 1.8 or 1.7 i think
11-21-2004 | 05:48 PM
#210
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Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 101
Hi Chris,
Thanks a lot!!! I have tried again on it and I think mine are not that match. I also visit the web site "www.pro-trak.co.hk". Phils has post the newest info on that. It is a better than before as I used to get a good match even there is a dead cell.
I also have tried the S.A.L. to monitor the old ICS. Of course it could not bin into the CYCLE function. It still able to give out a audio signal on it. A very nice feature that I could monitor others low-end equaliser tray!
Thanks a lot!!!
Thanks a lot!!! I have tried again on it and I think mine are not that match. I also visit the web site "www.pro-trak.co.hk". Phils has post the newest info on that. It is a better than before as I used to get a good match even there is a dead cell.
I also have tried the S.A.L. to monitor the old ICS. Of course it could not bin into the CYCLE function. It still able to give out a audio signal on it. A very nice feature that I could monitor others low-end equaliser tray!
Thanks a lot!!!