4LikesNEW HOBBYWING STOCK SUPERCHARGED SOFTWARE
12-07-2010, 04:32 PM
#1846
Hi guys
Nice information and interesting but most of you have fogotten one important factor and thatis driver ability .
No matter how much timing a company may it be tekin ,hobbywing,lrp ,castle creations or whoever puts into there esc's and motors it doesnt mean your going to win the race correct? It will not give you any advantage over the pro guy or the veteran club guy .The pro guy would still win by 2 laps even using a cheaper esc lower end esc as he has many years of experience as a driver and that goes with the veteran club guy .
I could attach two motors and two esc's and 2 batterys to a car and give it to any of you with not that much experience and you will still not win .Probably not finsh the race as the reliablity is gone .
It's all about the ability of the driver and not the horse power behind the car .
the other things is marc rhiehard won the world title using a Hobbywing designed and manufactured speed passion GT series using designed and implemented software the same your using today on you sp's and hobbywings but what won him the race was his setup and his ability as a driver and not the horse power available on demand .
ok the end of that .
Hobbywing is looking at ways that they can improve there products in ways of hardware and software but to the extent of the product being reliable .
Ill kepp all you guys imformed
Nice information and interesting but most of you have fogotten one important factor and thatis driver ability .
No matter how much timing a company may it be tekin ,hobbywing,lrp ,castle creations or whoever puts into there esc's and motors it doesnt mean your going to win the race correct? It will not give you any advantage over the pro guy or the veteran club guy .The pro guy would still win by 2 laps even using a cheaper esc lower end esc as he has many years of experience as a driver and that goes with the veteran club guy .
I could attach two motors and two esc's and 2 batterys to a car and give it to any of you with not that much experience and you will still not win .Probably not finsh the race as the reliablity is gone .
It's all about the ability of the driver and not the horse power behind the car .
the other things is marc rhiehard won the world title using a Hobbywing designed and manufactured speed passion GT series using designed and implemented software the same your using today on you sp's and hobbywings but what won him the race was his setup and his ability as a driver and not the horse power available on demand .
ok the end of that .
Hobbywing is looking at ways that they can improve there products in ways of hardware and software but to the extent of the product being reliable .
Ill kepp all you guys imformed
12-07-2010, 05:49 PM
#1847
12-07-2010, 06:42 PM
#1848
OTOH
If Hobbywing doesn't keep up with the other ESCs in terms of pure speed (talking about stock classes with any motor 10.5-21.5) then all the good drivers (and people shopping for ESCs) will soon be using the other guys ESCs.
If Hobbywing doesn't keep up with the other ESCs in terms of pure speed (talking about stock classes with any motor 10.5-21.5) then all the good drivers (and people shopping for ESCs) will soon be using the other guys ESCs.
12-08-2010, 12:34 AM
#1849
I don't know why you guys keep on saying Hobbywing is not as fast as the other ESC. As I said earlier I'm running Tekin as well as Hobbywing XeRun 120A, with the right gearing set up both esc are running about the same lap time. On a very long straight and I mean a very long straight like 200+ft then only the Tekin has a very very slight advantage in top speed, BUT even that can't make you overtake cleanly, its just enough to close down just a bit and you need to have a very good eye to see the difference in speed. For me there is no speed problem with Hobbywing at all.
12-08-2010, 01:45 AM
#1850
But when you go to national level all the drivers are good. A driver with inferior equipment will NOT win at national level. At this level, you have to be the best driver AND have the best equipment to win.
Mark winning the worlds with a SP is irrelevant; he was running in mod where advance timing isn't really used. As someone else mentioned; this discussion is about improving the timing advance for stock racing. Its not about mod racing, or about how good a driver I may be.
It sounds like what you're saying is that the HW is fast enough for drivers at club level and very reliable, and you're not that interested in those of us that want more performance at national level where a couple of tenths a lap can equate to 10 positions on the grid. If so then that's actually fair enough; at £50 including shipping to the UK the HW is 1/3rd the price of the Tekin, you don't need a laptop, and it's more reliable, so for 95% of drivers its a brilliant choice.
I still have more testing to do to decide if it will be fast enough for me...
Last edited by daleburr; 12-08-2010 at 01:56 AM.
12-08-2010, 02:22 AM
#1851
I don't know why you guys keep on saying Hobbywing is not as fast as the other ESC. As I said earlier I'm running Tekin as well as Hobbywing XeRun 120A, with the right gearing set up both esc are running about the same lap time. On a very long straight and I mean a very long straight like 200+ft then only the Tekin has a very very slight advantage in top speed, BUT even that can't make you overtake cleanly, its just enough to close down just a bit and you need to have a very good eye to see the difference in speed. For me there is no speed problem with Hobbywing at all.
As for the rest, it is THE bargain of the century. Hate me.
12-08-2010, 02:24 AM
#1852
Tech Addict
I don't know why you guys keep on saying Hobbywing is not as fast as the other ESC. As I said earlier I'm running Tekin as well as Hobbywing XeRun 120A, with the right gearing set up both esc are running about the same lap time. On a very long straight and I mean a very long straight like 200+ft then only the Tekin has a very very slight advantage in top speed, BUT even that can't make you overtake cleanly, its just enough to close down just a bit and you need to have a very good eye to see the difference in speed. For me there is no speed problem with Hobbywing at all.
12-08-2010, 03:48 AM
#1853
Tech Apprentice
Yes at club level driving ability is by far the dominant factor; I've been racing for 16 years and I'm more than good enough to win at club level even if I don't have the quickest car.
But when you go to national level all the drivers are good. A driver with inferior equipment will NOT win at national level. At this level, you have to be the best driver AND have the best equipment to win.
Mark winning the worlds with a SP is irrelevant; he was running in mod where advance timing isn't really used. As someone else mentioned; this discussion is about improving the timing advance for stock racing. Its not about mod racing, or about how good a driver I may be.
It sounds like what you're saying is that the HW is fast enough for drivers at club level and very reliable, and you're not that interested in those of us that want more performance at national level where a couple of tenths a lap can equate to 10 positions on the grid. If so then that's actually fair enough; at £50 including shipping to the UK the HW is 1/3rd the price of the Tekin, you don't need a laptop, and it's more reliable, so for 95% of drivers its a brilliant choice.
I still have more testing to do to decide if it will be fast enough for me...
But when you go to national level all the drivers are good. A driver with inferior equipment will NOT win at national level. At this level, you have to be the best driver AND have the best equipment to win.
Mark winning the worlds with a SP is irrelevant; he was running in mod where advance timing isn't really used. As someone else mentioned; this discussion is about improving the timing advance for stock racing. Its not about mod racing, or about how good a driver I may be.
It sounds like what you're saying is that the HW is fast enough for drivers at club level and very reliable, and you're not that interested in those of us that want more performance at national level where a couple of tenths a lap can equate to 10 positions on the grid. If so then that's actually fair enough; at £50 including shipping to the UK the HW is 1/3rd the price of the Tekin, you don't need a laptop, and it's more reliable, so for 95% of drivers its a brilliant choice.
I still have more testing to do to decide if it will be fast enough for me...
The Hobbywings are clearly the absolutely best if you take price in to cosideration and certainly much better than i need at my modest level of driving.
As Dale exelently put it here Hobbywing have no obligation to improve the stock software any more but i think the hardware have a bit juice left to be squeezed out!
To me it seems obvious (i may be wrong though) that it could potentially be an advantage to be able to turn the static timing down on the endbell to perhaps 0-deg and let the ESC add that timing dynamicly.
In the higher wind classes 17.5T-25.5T the ESC do not have enough timing avalible in software to do this.
The ESC have 29-deg of software timing 21 dynamic and 8 turbo. If it has any static timing in the software Angelo (Cobraracing) never answered...so don't know.
This could be a problem as Hobbywings motors currently don't have adjustable timing.
It could also be a problem with those people that "turn it to max and see if it works..."
Experience have shown that dynamic timing is an advantage. I would not be surpriced if in the future we download setupfiles for different motors with multipoint dynamic timing curves that have been meashured in dyno to be the most efficient for a specific motor...
12-08-2010, 04:04 AM
#1854
12-08-2010, 04:19 AM
#1855
Tech Adept
I'm with all the way here Dale!
The Hobbywings are clearly the absolutely best if you take price in to cosideration and certainly much better than i need at my modest level of driving.
As Dale exelently put it here Hobbywing have no obligation to improve the stock software any more but i think the hardware have a bit juice left to be squeezed out!
To me it seems obvious (i may be wrong though) that it could potentially be an advantage to be able to turn the static timing down on the endbell to perhaps 0-deg and let the ESC add that timing dynamicly.
In the higher wind classes 17.5T-25.5T the ESC do not have enough timing avalible in software to do this.
The ESC have 29-deg of software timing 21 dynamic and 8 turbo. If it has any static timing in the software Angelo (Cobraracing) never answered...so don't know.
This could be a problem as Hobbywings motors currently don't have adjustable timing.
It could also be a problem with those people that "turn it to max and see if it works..."
Experience have shown that dynamic timing is an advantage. I would not be surpriced if in the future we download setupfiles for different motors with multipoint dynamic timing curves that have been meashured in dyno to be the most efficient for a specific motor...
The Hobbywings are clearly the absolutely best if you take price in to cosideration and certainly much better than i need at my modest level of driving.
As Dale exelently put it here Hobbywing have no obligation to improve the stock software any more but i think the hardware have a bit juice left to be squeezed out!
To me it seems obvious (i may be wrong though) that it could potentially be an advantage to be able to turn the static timing down on the endbell to perhaps 0-deg and let the ESC add that timing dynamicly.
In the higher wind classes 17.5T-25.5T the ESC do not have enough timing avalible in software to do this.
The ESC have 29-deg of software timing 21 dynamic and 8 turbo. If it has any static timing in the software Angelo (Cobraracing) never answered...so don't know.
This could be a problem as Hobbywings motors currently don't have adjustable timing.
It could also be a problem with those people that "turn it to max and see if it works..."
Experience have shown that dynamic timing is an advantage. I would not be surpriced if in the future we download setupfiles for different motors with multipoint dynamic timing curves that have been meashured in dyno to be the most efficient for a specific motor...
motor timing is there from the start and all the timing that comes in ad ones, make the motor head up faster.
I can set my Tekin motor on 24 timing but it is most of the time ad 4 to 6 with a max of 10.
Can I compare a HW with a SP speedo?
same power?
Going to race against a SP driver on a small indoor track with a 13,5T this saterday and sunday.
He asked the owner of the track if he could come. The only driver that I now that has a SP out here.
12-08-2010, 06:00 AM
#1856
Tech Apprentice
Yes toptek i am fully aware of that and i am talking about absoulte timing not most motors standard "0" wich seems to be about 24-30deg static timing. (Hobbywing 24deg, Novak 30deg)
I started with moderate settings in the ESC and about 2deg of (absolute) endbell timing on my Ballistic 17.5T. I pretty soon realised i had to max both dynamic timing and turbo on the ESC if i was to have som rip and are now up to 10deg of absolute endbell timing wich i will try to up a little bit more on the next practice.
So i am currently up to 39deg total timing if it's correct that the ESC has 29deg.
Yes you can about compare SP to HW. Same hardware slightly different software i think.
I started with moderate settings in the ESC and about 2deg of (absolute) endbell timing on my Ballistic 17.5T. I pretty soon realised i had to max both dynamic timing and turbo on the ESC if i was to have som rip and are now up to 10deg of absolute endbell timing wich i will try to up a little bit more on the next practice.
So i am currently up to 39deg total timing if it's correct that the ESC has 29deg.
Yes you can about compare SP to HW. Same hardware slightly different software i think.
12-08-2010, 06:05 AM
#1857
Tech Apprentice
Originally Posted by snabbgas
I would not be surpriced if in the future we download setupfiles for different motors with multipoint dynamic timing curves that have been meashured in dyno to be the most efficient for a specific motor...
I would not be surpriced if in the future we download setupfiles for different motors with multipoint dynamic timing curves that have been meashured in dyno to be the most efficient for a specific motor...
12-08-2010, 06:12 AM
#1858
Tech Adept
Yes toptek i am fully aware of that and i am talking about absoulte timing not most motors standard "0" wich seems to be about 24-30deg static timing. (Hobbywing 24deg, Novak 30deg)
I started with moderate settings in the ESC and about 2deg of (absolute) endbell timing on my Ballistic 17.5T. I pretty soon realised i had to max both dynamic timing and turbo on the ESC if i was to have som rip and are now up to 10deg of absolute endbell timing wich i will try to up a little bit more on the next practice.
So i am currently up to 39deg total timing if it's correct that the ESC has 29deg.
Yes you can about compare SP to HW. Same hardware slightly different software i think.
I started with moderate settings in the ESC and about 2deg of (absolute) endbell timing on my Ballistic 17.5T. I pretty soon realised i had to max both dynamic timing and turbo on the ESC if i was to have som rip and are now up to 10deg of absolute endbell timing wich i will try to up a little bit more on the next practice.
So i am currently up to 39deg total timing if it's correct that the ESC has 29deg.
Yes you can about compare SP to HW. Same hardware slightly different software i think.
Als changeble timing on the motor would be better.
You can dan ballance you timing between the speedo and the motor.
I am now on the track and the SP driver is on his way.
He wants to run some practice runs for the race of sunday.
What is the motor temp?
with 39 total timing my motor stays ad room temp.
12-08-2010, 06:18 AM
#1859
Can someone help?
Apparently the HW software is slow. But my car is ballistic on small/medium indoor tracks.
What have I done wrong? Is it because I'm using Hobbywing's suggested settings? Should I be listening to trackside Tekin experts instead?
Apparently the HW software is slow. But my car is ballistic on small/medium indoor tracks.
What have I done wrong? Is it because I'm using Hobbywing's suggested settings? Should I be listening to trackside Tekin experts instead?
12-08-2010, 06:31 AM
#1860
Tech Apprentice
Better would be as you had more timing.
Als changeble timing on the motor would be better.
You can dan ballance you timing between the speedo and the motor.
I am now on the track and the SP driver is on his way.
He wants to run some practice runs for the race of sunday.
What is the motor temp?
with 39 total timing my motor stays ad room temp.
Als changeble timing on the motor would be better.
You can dan ballance you timing between the speedo and the motor.
I am now on the track and the SP driver is on his way.
He wants to run some practice runs for the race of sunday.
What is the motor temp?
with 39 total timing my motor stays ad room temp.
My motortemp seems to be around 60deg Celsius and i had it up to 80deg with a heavy throttlefinger and taller gearing.
Do the Tekin display actual degrees of timing? I think i heard somware that about 60deg of total timing is about max that can be added without severe adverse effects.
Also is the Tekin motors marked in absolute terms of timing starting at 0deg?
Have a really great time racing! I am soo jealous!
Last edited by snabbgas; 12-08-2010 at 06:57 AM. Reason: Spelling