Flysky NOBLE PRO
#1
I just ordered one, for 399. Seems like it has all the bells and whistles as the m17s and the futabas. Anyone else order one yet, or have one?
https://m.banggood.com/Flysky-Noble-...pproductDetail
https://m.banggood.com/Flysky-Noble-...pproductDetail
#6
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I like my NB4 better than any $400 radio on the market, but they kind of backed themselves into a corner. The Pro may be worth $400, but it’s not worth $200 more than the normal version. Perhaps if the put a tiny bit of effort into supplying LHS in the US, they’d gain more ground. My local track wants to stock them, but can’t get emails and calls returned.
#7
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I like my NB4 better than any $400 radio on the market, but they kind of backed themselves into a corner. The Pro may be worth $400, but it’s not worth $200 more than the normal version. Perhaps if the put a tiny bit of effort into supplying LHS in the US, they’d gain more ground. My local track wants to stock them, but can’t get emails and calls returned.
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#8
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From: California
I'm curious to see if someone will do a side-by-side comparison video (with slo-mo). When I tried them they seemed pretty similar, the pro is a little heavier, but TBH I prefer the normal since it feels like there is less stuff attached to it (even if you take the phone mount off the pro).
#9
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I'm curious to see if someone will do a side-by-side comparison video (with slo-mo). When I tried them they seemed pretty similar, the pro is a little heavier, but TBH I prefer the normal since it feels like there is less stuff attached to it (even if you take the phone mount off the pro).
#10
Something I wrote on all Futaba modes:
There are 3 types of latency. (for those who do not know what latency is, it is the time difference from changing control on the input to the reaction on the output)
1) A steady but small latency time is by the speed of electronics and processor handeling. This one is easy to get used by the mind because it is a steady factor. It could be measured. by modifying the transmitter to let it controlled by a computer and an electronic sensor on a channel and measure the time difference of a change.
2) A non steady and very unpredictable time by interference which is not easy to measure. You need to setup a device to simulate all kinds of interference. This is related to like high voltage cables under/over the track, the mirror signal from a fence but also other devices where the receiver need to correct or re-read the signal.
3) Frame rate.
Sensing all channels within the transmitter is like a train running circles and over the whole round all channels as like train stations are located. In the servo with a 1.5ms center pulse width the move will start after it reads and decoded the pulse width. It depends where the train is when you change a channel value. If you have an old system with a 20ms framerate the latency can be 1.5ms (if the train is excact on time) up to 20ms (when the train just drove by and need to make an whole 20ms round). On a RC track with fast cars taking a corner that can be a difference of getting the apex right, getting launched over the curb or going one meter too wide. The faster the framerate is set, the smaller this variable and so more steady this factor will become. Lowering the center pulse width is also a thing to lower the steady latency, that is why Sanwa its SSR went to 300uS pulse width but it is also needed when you want higher framerates beyond 333Hz.
There are 3 types of latency. (for those who do not know what latency is, it is the time difference from changing control on the input to the reaction on the output)
1) A steady but small latency time is by the speed of electronics and processor handeling. This one is easy to get used by the mind because it is a steady factor. It could be measured. by modifying the transmitter to let it controlled by a computer and an electronic sensor on a channel and measure the time difference of a change.
2) A non steady and very unpredictable time by interference which is not easy to measure. You need to setup a device to simulate all kinds of interference. This is related to like high voltage cables under/over the track, the mirror signal from a fence but also other devices where the receiver need to correct or re-read the signal.
3) Frame rate.
Sensing all channels within the transmitter is like a train running circles and over the whole round all channels as like train stations are located. In the servo with a 1.5ms center pulse width the move will start after it reads and decoded the pulse width. It depends where the train is when you change a channel value. If you have an old system with a 20ms framerate the latency can be 1.5ms (if the train is excact on time) up to 20ms (when the train just drove by and need to make an whole 20ms round). On a RC track with fast cars taking a corner that can be a difference of getting the apex right, getting launched over the curb or going one meter too wide. The faster the framerate is set, the smaller this variable and so more steady this factor will become. Lowering the center pulse width is also a thing to lower the steady latency, that is why Sanwa its SSR went to 300uS pulse width but it is also needed when you want higher framerates beyond 333Hz.
#11
Has anyone confirmed the 3ms response time? I currently have the NB4 and would like to confirm the latency difference is more than smoke and mirrors. I'm working on getting the wife into the hobby so she'll need a radio, no better time to upgrade.
#12
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 6,410
From: Austin,TX
So a beginner level racer recently showed up to the track with this radio and I've been working with him on his setup and after testing the radio while driving his car, I'm considering making a purchase.
Only thing that has me second guessing the buy is that it doesn't use a percentage to control the steering speed, it goes in increments down to the hundredth of millisecond which is very confusing to me... I realize that this increases precision for the tuning option but adds frustration as I prefer to stick with the industry standard using percentages instead. Does anyone know if the Pro can be flashed backwards to the NB4 firmware which uses percentages?
This is the only potential deal breaker for me before I pull the trigger... pun intended, ha!
Only thing that has me second guessing the buy is that it doesn't use a percentage to control the steering speed, it goes in increments down to the hundredth of millisecond which is very confusing to me... I realize that this increases precision for the tuning option but adds frustration as I prefer to stick with the industry standard using percentages instead. Does anyone know if the Pro can be flashed backwards to the NB4 firmware which uses percentages?
This is the only potential deal breaker for me before I pull the trigger... pun intended, ha!
#13
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So a beginner level racer recently showed up to the track with this radio and I've been working with him on his setup and after testing the radio while driving his car, I'm considering making a purchase.
Only thing that has me second guessing the buy is that it doesn't use a percentage to control the steering speed, it goes in increments down to the hundredth of millisecond which is very confusing to me... I realize that this increases precision for the tuning option but adds frustration as I prefer to stick with the industry standard using percentages instead. Does anyone know if the Pro can be flashed backwards to the NB4 firmware which uses percentages?
This is the only potential deal breaker for me before I pull the trigger... pun intended, ha!
Only thing that has me second guessing the buy is that it doesn't use a percentage to control the steering speed, it goes in increments down to the hundredth of millisecond which is very confusing to me... I realize that this increases precision for the tuning option but adds frustration as I prefer to stick with the industry standard using percentages instead. Does anyone know if the Pro can be flashed backwards to the NB4 firmware which uses percentages?
This is the only potential deal breaker for me before I pull the trigger... pun intended, ha!
#14
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So a beginner level racer recently showed up to the track with this radio and I've been working with him on his setup and after testing the radio while driving his car, I'm considering making a purchase.
Only thing that has me second guessing the buy is that it doesn't use a percentage to control the steering speed, it goes in increments down to the hundredth of millisecond which is very confusing to me... I realize that this increases precision for the tuning option but adds frustration as I prefer to stick with the industry standard using percentages instead. Does anyone know if the Pro can be flashed backwards to the NB4 firmware which uses percentages?
This is the only potential deal breaker for me before I pull the trigger... pun intended, ha!
Only thing that has me second guessing the buy is that it doesn't use a percentage to control the steering speed, it goes in increments down to the hundredth of millisecond which is very confusing to me... I realize that this increases precision for the tuning option but adds frustration as I prefer to stick with the industry standard using percentages instead. Does anyone know if the Pro can be flashed backwards to the NB4 firmware which uses percentages?
This is the only potential deal breaker for me before I pull the trigger... pun intended, ha!
#15
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 6,410
From: Austin,TX
Thanks guys, many drivers in my area use steering speed frequently to make quick adjustments for track condition changes... although I don't race turf anymore I would start around 85% steering speed with a brand new set of tires and would increase the steering speed 1% after every run.... then after 15 runs the car would start to push and I had to replace the tires in order to maintain my lap times.
Maybe I'm being over critical with the switch from percentage to milliseconds, so I guess the important thing is that it still performs the same function, I just need to get it our of my head that it shouldn't matter if the conversion formula changes so some other arbitrary setting that I need to study/learn/adapt
Maybe I'm being over critical with the switch from percentage to milliseconds, so I guess the important thing is that it still performs the same function, I just need to get it our of my head that it shouldn't matter if the conversion formula changes so some other arbitrary setting that I need to study/learn/adapt



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