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DPowers 05-17-2011 06:38 AM

Got to Run one a few weeks back was suprised at the the performance of the motor.

jjenkins 05-17-2011 06:45 AM

This would be your LSN. AFTER engine is at operating temp. Rev engine up alittle, let it go to idle, count to 15 and pull to WOT. Engine should have loaded up alittle but not die. If engine dies LSN is too rich, lean LSN an hour and try again. Don't get engine to have instant responce after 15 seconds or it will be too lean on bottom when on the track.

After LSN is set put buggy/truggy on the track and check the HSN motor should clear out but still have a little smoke down the straight-away. Tune HSN according to what it may need, Then recheck the LSN.

After this is complete, if the engine has about 2 gallons, your tune should stay very close, only needing minor adjustments from time to time.

(*New engines will get a little richer as they are breaking in until around the 2 gallon mark*)

DPowers 05-17-2011 06:46 AM

How is the support for these motors?

jjenkins 05-17-2011 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by DPowers (Post 9123919)
How is the support for these motors?

We at Argus-USA, hope we are giving our customers great support.;)

If you have any questions, we have a dealer network setup across the US and quite a few Team Drivers that can help with any questions you may have.

You can also contact me(Jonathan Jenkins) or Jamey Jenkins at
[email protected] .

DPowers 05-17-2011 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by jjenkins (Post 9123938)
We at Argus-USA, hope we are giving our customers great support.;)

If you have any questions, we have a dealer network setup across the US and quite a few Team Drivers that can help with any questions you may have.

You can also contact me(Jonathan Jenkins) or Jamey Jenkins at
[email protected] .

Thanks for the reply.

dameetz 05-17-2011 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by jjenkins (Post 9123917)
This would be your LSN. AFTER engine is at operating temp. Rev engine up alittle, let it go to idle, count to 15 and pull to WOT. Engine should have loaded up alittle but not die. If engine dies LSN is too rich, lean LSN an hour and try again. Don't get engine to have instant responce after 15 seconds or it will be too lean on bottom when on the track.

After LSN is set put buggy/truggy on the track and check the HSN motor should clear out but still have a little smoke down the straight-away. Tune HSN according to what it may need, Then recheck the LSN.

After this is complete, if the engine has about 2 gallons, your tune should stay very close, only needing minor adjustments from time to time.

(*New engines will get a little richer as they are breaking in until around the 2 gallon mark*)

Thanks for the response, after tuning the HSN you said Recheck the LSN, what's the indication on what to do? I mean if its bogging do I lean it or richen it or if the idle takes time to return to lower rpm do I richen or lean the LSN? Also as I ask earlier, what pipe are you guys running with this engine? For power which pipe? or for run time, which pipe?

jjenkins 05-17-2011 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by dameetz (Post 9124028)
Thanks for the response, after tuning the HSN you said Recheck the LSN, what's the indication on what to do? I mean if its bogging do I lean it or richen it or if the idle takes time to return to lower rpm do I richen or lean the LSN? Also as I ask earlier, what pipe are you guys running with this engine? For power which pipe? or for run time, which pipe?

Yes, you must recheck the LSN if you change the HSN. The HSN controls all fuel coming into the carb, so if you lean the HSN, the LSN will also get leaner. If the LSN is set on the box as I described earlier, it will be very, very close. If in driving, you have a "bog" coming out of a corner and then the motor screams on top, the LSN is too lean. If you come out of a corner and the motor is gurgly and lots of smoke it is too rich on the bottom. Especially if it has a "two tone" idle.


As far as pipes, The F0801 is a great pipe for power and mileage, After some more dyno testing, The SH-- EFRA 3033 is also a great pipe. I have seen where some are also liking the EFRA 2013.

Keep in mind, great mileage GREATLY depends on the driver. Any time you are on the track, only use what you need from the engine. (Ex: If you come out of a turn and have a jump infront of you and the buggy/truggy will clear and backside the jump at 1/4 throttle, don't pull it wide open and over shoot the jump. This goes for the entire track. If you watch the really fast guys at any track, they are also the "smoothest". Guys that look "wide open" around the track, (power sliding through corners, over jumping jumps, etc. do not get great mileage and are usually not that fast (lap times).
Of course, all of this is easier said than done:blush: (I am still trying)

Rcrenew 05-17-2011 06:38 PM

I Have been running the Argus for a few months now and they have really proven to be a super fast and reliable engine:nod: I will be running them from from this point on. I am not easily impressed by a lot of other engines.( I got used to running Werks engines Which are Great) But this engine really has impressed me so far. As well as my customers.

And Dennis support is great for the engines.:nod:

Lance
RcRenew

hdcruzer 05-17-2011 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by dameetz (Post 9123651)
Ok I thought the 0.1 and 0.2mm shims that are already installed. For me I did not put the extra shim since the beginning. Anyhow what pipe is good for this engine?

Also today I m having a little problem with it. The engine idles good but after a few seconds idling when I put on the gas the engine would become rich and soft at the bottom sometimes flamed out too. However when I continously run in hard on the track it is stable. When I stop again (idling for few seconds) the same thing will happen, from my observation the engine needs like 2 laps to clear out and becone stable.I m concern during race after pit in the engine would become rich and the worse thing my track lay out is that after pit lane theres a big jump to be cleared.

I know the problem is within the tune, so i need direction, is the HSN or LSN that is rich? Max temp was 105C. My currect tune is LSN 1.5 turn in from flush (with the carb ball connector) and HSN is flush...got this set up from last page. Last weekend I tried to lean the HSN a bit but the engine bog after awhile thats why I just leave it flush.

If its flamin out, it sounds like your way lean on the bottom. You say your a turn and a half in on the bottom, to me that says way to lean on bottom. At the most you should only be no more than a half turn in from flush......... From experience these things dont like a lean bottom....

Rcrenew 05-17-2011 08:17 PM

These come factory at LSN 1 1/2 in from, flush and top flush approximatly. So if you are only a half turn in on the LSN that means you are richer on the bottom than factory settings? Everyone I have tuned or others that I have seen have been 1-2 turns in from flush on the LSN and 1/2 to 1 turn in on the HSN and this is race tuned and reliable engines at the races. With all engines there are varibles and the same engine with the same pipe,fuel,plug ,temp etc.. Needles can be different, but all I have seen and my own are pretty close to the 11/2 in on LSN and 1/2 in on HSN.

Just my observation.

If the engine loads up from being rich at idle butruns great after it is driven hard for a couple laps that seems to me that it is a indicator of it being rich, not lean. If it is rich, the more you run it and it heats up the better it will run as it warms up.

If it is lean the longer you run the worse it will get usually\as it heats up and gets up to tempand proceeds to lean out even more.

With every engine you need to tune to how it is running and not always by someoen elses settings as they can be different becasue of all the variables.

But also double check your fuel lines, tank etc.. just in case.

Thanks,
Lance
RcRenew

twitch_1 05-18-2011 04:05 AM

Have any of you guys ran an os carby on these motors?????
i know a few people that have and they say it makes it easier to tune any thoughts on this???????

FLHX1550 05-18-2011 04:46 AM


Originally Posted by DPowers (Post 9123919)
How is the support for these motors?

I don't know of anyone who has had to get any support, so I don't think anyone knows!

Thus far I am flat out impressed with mine. Ran mine in my truggy for the first time (been in my buggy thus far) and put on a real crisp tune on it and the thing was VERY good for power. With the Alpha 0801 Pipe it has a very linear power-band.

As far as trying a different carb, I don't see any problem with the carb that is on it, for me at least.

This engine has been quite easy to tune, for me at least. I actually find myself on the rich side because the engine runs so well, even with a real rich tune on it.

Rcrenew 05-18-2011 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by FLHX1550 (Post 9128990)
I don't know of anyone who has had to get any support, so I don't think anyone knows!

Thus far I am flat out impressed with mine. Ran mine in my truggy for the first time (been in my buggy thus far) and put on a real crisp tune on it and the thing was VERY good for power. With the Alpha 0801 Pipe it has a very linear power-band.

As far as trying a different carb, I don't see any problem with the carb that is on it, for me at least.

This engine has been quite easy to tune, for me at least. I actually find myself on the rich side because the engine runs so well, even with a real rich tune on it.

+1

These things tune so easy , There is no reason to swap carbs. The carb on the Argus is great. I think it is one of the easiest to tune engine I have ran.:nod:

And Yes, no one has really needed anything for these engines yet. And a lot of guys have over 6 gallons on them all origional. So that just shows the reliability is there :nod: BUt if needed Myself or A to Z has any parts you would need for it. But for $179.99 its just worth it to get a new one under most circumstances.

Thanks guys,
Lance
RcRenew.com

DPowers 05-18-2011 10:39 AM

Good support helps sell products if you dont have it people wont buy it you never know when a problem can accure.

Rcrenew 05-18-2011 11:17 AM

Yep You are right on that one. Everything is readily available for the Argus.

There is nothing worse then buying something and not being able to get a part for it thats for sure.

Lance
RcRenew


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