Engine Debate
 

I know there are probably a bunch of threads like this but I will start this anyway as I could not find one, I think this could help allot of people decide on an engine if we can get some good info in here, so the engines I am trying to decide on to run in my buggy next year are,

RB Killer-10,

Werks B6,

Novarossi-S21P5XLT-21,

O.S .21xz-b (not out yet but it is the replacement for the v spec)

I have links below of all the engines except the .21xz-b

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...ine-Turbo-Plug

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...tor-Turbo-Plug

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...ine-Turbo-Plug

Post your choice, things you like about them things you don't like about them your experience with them or recommend another engine you have had good luck with.

Thanks.

I would run Axe Rossi.:):)

well you could go with any of them but out of those would say the new os xz-b would be way to go
if get nova the plus 4 team is the best one and one of if not the best motor out right now
werks is good for the price but not on par with nova or os rb r good but no mileage at all
if money is tight you can get the older speed with aluminum head for around 280-300 off ebay brand new and will have a smokin mill all are good just dpends on what you like os speeds r so smooth plus 4 gets good mileage
either of those can not go wrong

Here we go again. Popcprn anyone???? :lol:

Don't sleep on the Novarossi P5XLT. I run one in my MBX6T with a Dynamite 086 and it is bad azz!

Plus 4 would be the IDEAL novarossi in my opinion for a buggy. The p5 is a great motor, I would say more geared toward a truggy then buggy. I have however seen multiple people run it in buggy with great success.

I have not tried the new Vspec but you could alway settle for the old one which is now avaible from a few places for $200 which at that price is a steal. You won't find a better motor at that price. It has just as much if not more power then a plus 4 but not close to as smooth or as good on gas mileage as the plus 4 when I used it.

I have not tried a B6, do not plan on it, haven't seen one that has made me want to get one yet. Not saying it is a bad motor, just haven't tried it.

RB Shark - Have not tried it, nothing to say about that motor.


The new vspec I am sure will be great, but again have not tried it. I do plan on getting some new OS Speeds for next season, we'll see how that goes.

Pass the popcorn please.:lol:

Oh boy...

Simple answer: Buy the one that fits your budget and the level you want to compete at. Best bet is to buy one that someone else (that you can financially hang with) runs at your track so they can help you with it. You can compete and win races with any of those engines.

Looking at your sig, you already know this.

RB B10 lots of power. Idles great and very reliable.

I have the RB K9, I don't know how much different the K10 is. It's fast and gets good run time, but it's no Novarossi. It doesn't hold a tune near as well and doesn't get as good of run time compared to the +4.

The P5 is probably a little too much motor for a buggy, I'd go with the +4 over it. It's a smoother motor and gets better run times. I run the +4 in my truggy and the K9 in my buggy right now. The K9 will soon be replaced with a Nova though.

I've heard great things about the Werks motors, but have never owned one so I can't comment.

For the money the go engines are hard to beat. You can get a 5 port gxr on ebay for 175 right now with a tuned pipe. That engine screams and is about half the price of the competition with better specs than most. Normally that setup goes for around $300 for the engine and pipe. I run a 7 port in my buggy and a 3 port in my truggy, and both engines are a handful in terms of power. You simply will not find more power for less money, that i can guarantee.

+1000000000.

Another consideration: A lot of engines work well for the first 2 gallons. So, you get a lot of those "HEY! ______ Engine is SOOO SMOOTH, GREAT POWERBAND, DIALED!!!!" comments for nearly any engine. What you want is an engine that still runs well 6,7,8 gallons in. Those are the ones that have the best value in the long run.

I agree completely on both of those posts as far as my budget its not very big as far as lasting7-8 gallons That is what I want,
Novarossi has a history of lasting long as well as RB (very similar engines most rb are nova based) O.S has a bad record of not lasting as well as Werks.
BUT engine life and performance also depends hugely on care you can take an amazing engine break it in poorly don't tune it well overheat it don't maintain it suck some dirt in there and all of a sudden.. your engine craps on you at 3 gallons. Were if you break it in properly tune it well maintain it and treat it good it will last for 8-9 gallons.

my 2cents.

RB k9 k10 and sport 10 are the only RB,s that are not nova based.

Nothing to debate. OS all the way!!:nod::nod:

can i get some of that popcorn!:ha::lol:....

I want some of what Jammin's smokin :D
J/K, between you and Frank L I dont know who is the bigger OS freakazoid. Although Frank has to have OS tools also so I think he has you by a nose

what a waste of space.....:rolleyes:

Well, yes and no. This thread is more a testament to how WE, as a community, can help people with their questions...no matter how obscure or preference-based they may be.

It's not always 'you get what you pay for' because I've heard of 500.00 engines that were garbage (anomolies) and the manufacturer tellin em too bad so sad. Or 'stick with the winners' because the winners are very experienced and can usually buy five engines and choose the best one for that particular day. Or, 'do what everyone else is doing so you have support' because everyone else might be running 3-gallon engines and not know how to tune or care for them and that's not what you want. The right answer is: there is no right or wrong answer for you.

Sorry to say this, but no one is going to make up your mind for you bro.

engines are typically based by PRICE,SUPPORT,POPULARITY and performance.
if you rate those engines based on that your down to 2
werks and nova. And if Houstin goes on vacation your down to one:D

I don't know. I think he's got me. But it is a close one to call. And thank you very much!:blush::lol::lol:

Wait...here's a good answer. :D

Find a reseller that is extremely dedicated and offers mods, repairs, and break-in services. Pay the little extra for the peace of mind. You'll get an engine that's been inspected, broken-in, and tuned pretty close for your area. These guys exist solely to make guys as fast as they can be with minimal risk and worry.

Here are a few of the guys that are most active here on RCTECH, in no particular order. I apologize in advance for omitting anyone. There are many others.

Houston's Engine Service
Clockwork Racing Engines
EBMods

You forgot the best in the business AB mods:sneaky:

Hands down O.S. would be the best choice. In the past three os four years different buggies have won the big one including the rtr D8. They all had one thing in common. They where all powered buy the V-spec speed. Now O.S. has made it even better when no one could beat the old one. The over seas priceing is the best. when it gets to the U.S. expect it to be a $500 engine.

I'm running the Nitrotec right now and love it.

Had a Clockwork's B5 and that was insane power popped my tires going up my driveway (Really steep), untill it sucked dirt. Neal has some pretty crazy customer support his engines make insane power.

Had a Clockwork's JPX-21 Plus that was also brutal power, also sucked dirt -_-

B6 I drove (My racing buddy) seems great.

Like mentioned before pick one that suits your budget (Werks is deffinately affordable, his customer support is killer too, and you can call him or post on the forums for help!) just dont pick some random junk name lol

So true... any engine is good for a gallon or two. But an engine that hits its prime from 3-8 gallons is getting more rare everyday :)

Quality always over-shadows "value"

How true that is Tony

Some lesser quality inexpensive engines will last and some won't , that's the nature of that beast . The higher quality more costly engines are priced the way they are for a reason , they are inspected much more thoroughly , made of much higher quality materials and have a better success rate ;)

Good luck on your engine choice

My vote would be the plus 21-4 buggy tuned , I know where they are on special :D

Right... in other words, what does the average user get out of it?

I found VSPECS ran great but didn't last long, at least not in a truggy.

Had an RB before that lasted a long time.

Have an Alpha Plus now, 2 gallons and still isn't even really broken in. (VSPEC was DONE at 3 to 3.5)

Yup nothing more to say :)

Tons of awesome engines out there...My advice is always keep an open mind and be willing to try new things from time to time... There are plenty of high quality engines on the market today so its pretty hard to make a bad choice....All these engines can be made to run really sweet, you just need to get them setup correctly.. I don't care what anyone says, there is no "Best Engine on the market" ..every engine has different characteristics and will do some things better then other engines will.....90% of successfully tuning any brand nitro engine is having the correct setup clutch,pipe,plug and fuel....I can run any brand engine stock or modified and you will struggle to find anyone with a sweeter running engine then what I am running.....I can make a Picco or Go run just as good as I can make a OS or RB run..The difference is finding the sweet setup for each engine...Brand matters very little these days..... Some brands are built better then other brands, so they should last longer...But being in the engine biz I see most engines meet their demise by user error anyways, so it matters little which brand they run........I cannot stress enough that its the user behind the that engine matters far more then what brand engine you run....

Dead right Maximo:nod:
When I first started racing I destroyed through ignorance while learning RB,Vspec,Ofna and GO tech.:rolleyes:
I now run run GO Engines,not to be confused with the original Go Tech,and have great success and life from them:nod:
Any of the established brands can be either a disaster or a winner dependant on operator.

I would choose the O.S any day of the week. :nod:

+1...WELL SAID:nod:

Whooo hoo I finally get to win. :D

Man I can't say enough good about os engines. They never let me down. I know people have issues with them but peoe will have issues with just about anything good or bad ninhave tuned many different brands and I must say the os engines hold their tune better than most. The 25 I have been running is awesome but I think the filter clogs up and then it loads up at the end on a 30 min main. Have to use no oil on the prefilter guess. But James is correct I just love os engines. Ohh ya btw why the speed tools are off the hook.

WHY?????????????????????????

o.s. motors rock, they are easy to tune, good power out of the v-specs, the speeds are almost ungodly.

but i would say my all time favorite motor is the nova rossi 421b factory modded, that thing pulled EVERY other motor down the straights and had rediculous bottom end.

I'll have to disagree. There is a such thing as a best engine. it depends one ones knowledge and driving skills. As far as high end vs low end engines. I strongly beleave you get what you pay for. If I was running with guy's who ran RB's, O.S., Novas and JP's I'm not gonna get a dynamite and think I'm going to shock the world. Thats just me.

As far as the life of an engine. One thing that is over looked is break in. I noticed a lot of people prefer the heat cycle method. Mainly because some racers do it. If you pay for your own engines this method is not wise. Racers do it because that engine will only be used for that one race. These engines now adays need a gallon threw them. If you want to run them for multiple gallons. The pinch is so tight on them now it standard to change the rods after break in.

Is this the Simple I know? If so, you have one of the best engine guys IMO in the country, defiantly the state, sitting in your pocket. I would talk to Chris before, I buy an engine. We are HIGH UP and IT does make a difference. Get something that the guys here can tune.

This weekend me and the biys went racing.... We ran just about every engine in our stable..... JPX .21, Werk's B5, werk's B6, Ninja JX .21 and a OFNA JL .21......... All the engines ran fantastic..... The Werk's B5 and JPX were the fastest in Truggy...the OFNA JL was the fastest in Buggy, the engine is just retarded fast...The Ninja was all around good in Buggy, no holes in its game at all, but doesn't stand out in any 1 characteristic either.......The Werk's B5 has the best mileage by far......The JPX has the wildest midrange of the bunch, the thing is a animal........... All the engines ran like tops, The most expensive engine had no advantages over the cheapest engine, i can make them all run equally well... personally if i were to pick the easiest to tune it would be the Werk's, tho as I say none are hard to tune....

Most disappointing engine I have run is a Nova Plus 21-7, for all the hype surrounding that engine I was shocked how poor its performance was...

Most impressive was a modifed RB C6...the engine was flat out ballistic....

Surprised Alpha Plus has only been mentioned once. You should look 'm up. Around here, Alpha starts to make a name. They're incredible and cost the half of other high-end engines.