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jwm2 09-22-2010 08:28 AM

I have never run across a dissappointed ro disgruntled go engine customer. I have yet to hear of anyone complain about lack of power or short engine life. That in itself says alot about the quality of them. I know not as many people run them and some look at them as a white label mill, but in all honesty i couldn't be more thrilled with the 3 i have. I will continue to run them for the forseeable future. Hell my truggy was able to keep up with a mugen mbx6 buggy with a ninja on the local track, that in itself says alot about the power these things make.

Maximo 09-22-2010 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by jwm2 (Post 7972091)
I have never run across a dissappointed ro disgruntled go engine customer. I have yet to hear of anyone complain about lack of power or short engine life. That in itself says alot about the quality of them. I know not as many people run them and some look at them as a white label mill, but in all honesty i couldn't be more thrilled with the 3 i have. I will continue to run them for the forseeable future. Hell my truggy was able to keep up with a mugen mbx6 buggy with a ninja on the local track, that in itself says alot about the power these things make.

I am a Go dealer as well....Great running engines when they are setup correctly.. But I do have a few complaints.... Pinch, the engines come with way too much pinch, it is not needed and makes breakin a huge hassle...the factory needs to tighten their tolerances.......O-rings... the batches of Go's I brought in all had really poor o-rings...I had to R+R almost all the carb o-rings, front bearings...several of the engines had really bad front bearings, and the engines would not run properly till I replaced them...... Piston material, some of the engines seemed to have a really soft piston that ovalled out at the wristpin, which resulted in the circlip popping loose and ruining the engine...As a rule I am not a fan of any engine that uses a cast piston, I will take a machined billet piston any day........... However once you get thru the brutal breakin, replace the o-rings and the odd front bearing the engines ran excellent.....

khannibal 09-22-2010 09:14 AM

Hi Neil,

Were the engines you mentioned a coupel posts back your mods or stock?

How would you compare the stock versions of the engines you just mentioned to each other?

Maximo 09-22-2010 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by khannibal (Post 7972246)
Hi Neil,

Were the engines you mentioned your mod versions or stock?

How would you compare the stock versions of the engines you just mentioned?

IDK...I pretty much only run them as modified....Of course I do test them stock...But honestly I find it pretty hard to run a stock engine these days...The Ninja and B5 are both very good stock, the JPX is a beast and the JL is a little tamer....As I say once your used to running all modified engines all the stock engines tend to be rather boring.....

Maximo 09-22-2010 09:28 AM

I will say the most impressive stock engines I have run are the original Ninja 28 and the OS 25...both those engines absolutely rip ! to date no stock .21 has ever made me lift an eyebrow since my original Picco P7R EVO2

Maximo 09-22-2010 09:40 AM

I wish it were possible to have a blind taste test with all these engines........ everyone has their preferred brand name but I really wonder if that would be the engine they actually preferred in a blind test drive...It would be neat to be able to have people test all the good engines without knowing what they were actually driving, then grade them on paper on the likes and dislikes......

Andy Z 09-22-2010 09:50 AM

Great idea, and I can easily see this happening. Great magazine article idea :)

makaluch 09-22-2010 09:51 AM

I really appreciate your perspective, Neil. Very open-minded and as unbiased as you could possibly be, given your kind of experience. For me, it inspires great confidence in the things you say about any engine. Good stuff man!

jwm2 09-22-2010 10:07 AM

Sorry i don't buy it. I don't see a single go engine listed on your website. Maybe i'm missing something, but its fairly obvious that you'd rather push other engines to allow your modding and reconditioning services to flourish. I even did a search on your website and didn't even find a single post about go engines.

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... and I may have a little sellers remorse for letting it go. I run a Savage XL and have not had many good outings with the 5.9 motor ... have to give Neal a call sometime and discuss a killer engine for my Hyper 8.5 Latemodel, I'm torn between a modded Picco P3 .28 just ...

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Picco Boost
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cre ninja mr28
... muggy btw, ( I know its like throwing a blown dragster engine in a 500 dollar ford tarus) I know its a big heavy truck and the ... 13 or 14 btw. I need to see how fast this sucker can go! Ive ordered parts to upgrade the diffs, new avids throughout and brand new ...

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... base numbers, then tommorow I will modify and re-test the engine ! __________________ ___________________________ Neal ... as we get things a bit organized. We got lots on the go right now! Did picco change their head Did picco change their head ...

A search for go tech turned up even fewer results and was the same as the first result shown when searching go engine.

rider313 09-22-2010 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by jwm2 (Post 7972449)
Sorry i don't buy it. I don't see a single go engine listed on your website. Maybe i'm missing something, but its fairly obvious that you'd rather push other engines to allow your modding and reconditioning services to flourish. I even did a search on your website and didn't even find a single post about go engines.

.

Here is a CLOCKED Go for ya

clocked go 7 port

riverviewrc 09-22-2010 10:16 AM

Neal posted a page back his thoughts about GO.

I seen 3-4 GO engines down here 5 and 7 ports all of them had problems.

Neal likes the brands he likes for a reason. They hold up well and perform great.

jwm2 09-22-2010 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by rider313 (Post 7972483)
Here is a CLOCKED Go for ya

clocked go 7 port

Oh i don't doubt he's modded a few go engines. That wasn't my point. My point is he states he is a go engine reseller in order to build credibility about his statement. I would like to see more usa go engine dealers to be honest, i love the engines and would like more than a couple places to get them.

The video shows how much of a handful they can be in a buggy. Nice powerful engines at a reasonable price, can't ask for much more. I'm not trying to be some sort of go engine salesman, i just like them and don't think they get the credit they deserve.

makaluch 09-22-2010 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by makaluch (Post 7972385)
...as unbiased as you could possibly be, given your kind of experience. For me...

No one speaks gospel here bro. Cut people a little slack. This place is full of experiences, opinions, and information. Do with it whatever you feel. That's why I said what I said, the way I said it. Sorry for the trouble fellas.

rider313 09-22-2010 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 7972206)
Piston material, some of the engines seemed to have a really soft piston that ovalled out at the wristpin, which resulted in the circlip popping loose and ruining the engine........

Had this happen on one of my Go .25 6 ports. But the motor had its share of fuel pumper threw it.

jwm2 09-22-2010 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by riverviewrc (Post 7972487)
Neal posted a page back his thoughts about GO.

I seen 3-4 GO engines down here 5 and 7 ports all of them had problems.

Neal likes the brands he likes for a reason. They hold up well and perform great.

What kind of problems? And please don't just regurgitate what neil said as that won't fly.

jwm2 09-22-2010 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by makaluch (Post 7972539)
No one speaks gospel here bro. Cut people a litle slack. This place is full of experiences, opinions, and information. Do with it whatever you feel. That's why I said what I said, the way I said it. I'll step back now. Sorry for the trouble fellas.

Oh no don't get me wrong, i'm not jumping down anyones throat. Its just a debate :) I'm abit bored at the moment and don't mind the back and forth banter to pass the time. I've yet to run across a bad go engine, a part here and there can go wrong with any engine on the market. Heavens know how many posts we've seen about werks, os, ninjas, and etc with various issues here and there. But i'll stand behind my original comment. Personally for the money and power they are hard to beat and until someone else steps up to the plate and delivers the same value or better i'll stand behind them.

I've bought used engines in the past that were problematic for others and it normally boils down to bad tuning or something else overlooked that can be easily fixed. The fact is alot of people who know very little about nitros end up with them in their possession and get frustrated really quickly as they realize they might be in over their heads. That alone i contribute to alot of the problems people report about various engines.

Maximo 09-22-2010 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by jwm2 (Post 7972449)
Sorry i don't buy it. I don't see a single go engine listed on your website. Maybe i'm missing something, but its fairly obvious that you'd rather push other engines to allow your modding and reconditioning services to flourish. I even did a search on your website and didn't even find a single post about go engines.

C & P:

Search
Enter your keywords: go engine


Search results
The official Say hello thread !
... and I may have a little sellers remorse for letting it go. I run a Savage XL and have not had many good outings with the 5.9 motor ... have to give Neal a call sometime and discuss a killer engine for my Hyper 8.5 Latemodel, I'm torn between a modded Picco P3 .28 just ...

Forum topic

Picco Boost
... for run time. I see that it is only listed as an engine and pipe combo, any idea if they will be selling just the engine at some ... I was literally laughing watching this thing go. Fast? Ummm...HELL YA!!!! How would you (anyone of you ...

Forum topic

cre ninja mr28
... muggy btw, ( I know its like throwing a blown dragster engine in a 500 dollar ford tarus) I know its a big heavy truck and the ... 13 or 14 btw. I need to see how fast this sucker can go! Ive ordered parts to upgrade the diffs, new avids throughout and brand new ...

Forum topic

Testimonials
... Just got my engine running, and all I can say is I never had a engine run so smooth while ... now i get to get back in the car at 4am tomorrow to go to another job! Yippy!! Well as i say the racing is ...

Page

Clockwork Mods
... SKU: Clockwork Engine Mod Every engine is different, and every customers needs are ... prices start at $65.00 for a base modification and go up from there depending on what kind of work is needed and how much shop ...

Product

Picco 28 dyno testing
... base numbers, then tommorow I will modify and re-test the engine ! __________________ ___________________________ Neal ... as we get things a bit organized. We got lots on the go right now! Did picco change their head Did picco change their head ...

A search for go tech turned up even fewer results and was the same as the first result shown when searching go engine.


You said you never heard a complaint against GO....I had some legitimate complaints and I posted them.... truth be told I have had complaints about almost every engine brand, as no engine is perfect...

I don't have Go in my current inventory for several reasons, tho I am a legitimate dealer...I wouldn't lie about something like that FYI...... Main reason is the pricing..what I pay from the Canadian Distributor(who is an awesome guy BTW.) puts me out of range to compete with the people selling stock Go's online and in the US, the Canadian dealer pricing is quite high, and the engines are available retail online for pennies more...So it is not feasible for me to carry them..too many other sources dumping them at very low prices... I just cannot compete in the Go market.... And as a base for modifying I have better options for the dollar IMO...Jammin and Werk's ...Billet pistons, better tolerance in the Sleeve/piston, harder crankshafts, Swiss bearings, Italian build..........As i say I have had great results with the Go engines, my modified versions run like raped Apes, however the pricing on the Go puts them against some pretty stiff competition....

riverviewrc 09-22-2010 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by jwm2 (Post 7972543)
What kind of problems? And please don't just regurgitate what neil said as that won't fly.

None of them were mine just what I saw from race days.

They never held a tune, and I never saw one perform even like an average motor, but this could be due to many variables. All I can say is GO has not showed me anything to like so far.

I do like how they come with an extra con rod but that just makes you wonder why.

For the price Werks motors I'd rather go for that, not just because the price but because Ron's customer support is amazing. He posts on the forum quite frequently and on top of that you can call him!

rageworks 09-22-2010 11:09 AM

So what exactly don't you buy JWM2?
I own one of the first GO engines that Neal ever
Clocked. It is about four years old now and has
had at least a dozen gallons of fuel ran through it.
It is still one bad arsed screamin engine and will
still eat a Toro Nero for lunch.
I agree with Neal, there is NO BEST ENGINE. The track
you run on, your driving style, your clutch, gearing and
tire set-ups and other factors will determine the best
engine/pipe combo for you. That is why I keep over a
a dozen different engines and at least that many pipe
and header combos. Rather than rely on what someone
posts is the best header/pipe combo for an engne, I actualy
take the time to find out for myself. Instead of doing the hands
on research to find the ideal engine, people would rather let
someone else make their descisions for them. The same people
that start this kind of thread are the same ones that will want
to know the majic number of turns on them there carbrater screws
next week.:lol:

Bart_Banaan 09-22-2010 11:40 AM

MyRCBox has published an very good article - Buying the right engine for your needs and budget


One day or another, you’ll have to buy a new engine. All the reasons are good to drop a new mill into our rides. Some wants to upgrade their RTR engines for a more powerfull engine, some others try to take advantage of a better fuel mileage and others want to replace a broken or worn out engine. Choosing the right engine for your budget might be more complicated that you might think. Just by surfing one of the most popular online store. I’ve seen more than 80 off-road .21 engines to choose from with a street price varying between 110$us and 600$us. This makes a lot of choices! So, how to choose the right engine?.....READ MORE.....

Jaz240 09-22-2010 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by rageworks (Post 7972699)
So what exactly don't you buy JWM2?
I own one of the first GO engines that Neal ever
Clocked. It is about four years old now and has
had at least a dozen gallons of fuel ran through it.
It is still one bad arsed screamin engine and will
still eat a Toro Nero for lunch.
I agree with Neal, there is NO BEST ENGINE. The track
you run on, your driving style, your clutch, gearing and
tire set-ups and other factors will determine the best
engine/pipe combo for you. That is why I keep over a
a dozen different engines and at least that many pipe
and header combos. Rather than rely on what someone
posts is the best header/pipe combo for an engne, I actualy
take the time to find out for myself. Instead of doing the hands
on research to find the ideal engine, people would rather let
someone else make their descisions for them. The same people
that start this kind of thread are the same ones that will want
to know the majic number of turns on them there carbrater screws
next week.:lol:

Brilliant answer

071crazy 09-22-2010 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by jwm2 (Post 7972543)
What kind of problems? And please don't just regurgitate what neil said as that won't fly.

These GO engines seem interesting. How popular are these engines at your local track? Also, how much time do you have on your motors?

TopGearRC 09-22-2010 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by rageworks (Post 7972699)
So what exactly don't you buy JWM2?
I own one of the first GO engines that Neal ever
Clocked. It is about four years old now and has
had at least a dozen gallons of fuel ran through it.
It is still one bad arsed screamin engine and will
still eat a Toro Nero for lunch.
I agree with Neal, there is NO BEST ENGINE. The track
you run on, your driving style, your clutch, gearing and
tire set-ups and other factors will determine the best
engine/pipe combo for you. That is why I keep over a
a dozen different engines and at least that many pipe
and header combos. Rather than rely on what someone
posts is the best header/pipe combo for an engne, I actualy
take the time to find out for myself. Instead of doing the hands
on research to find the ideal engine, people would rather let
someone else make their descisions for them. The same people
that start this kind of thread are the same ones that will want
to know the majic number of turns on them there carbrater screws
next week.:lol:

+1

JAMMINKRAZY 09-22-2010 01:29 PM

Go engines are nothing special really. They are a decent Taiwanese copy of a nova P5. If you get a good one it will run good for awhile and go downhill quickly after that period. The bad ones just won't run right from the get go. They make pretty good power, get OK fuel mileage, and really don't excel in one area. They can be a bit finicky to tune and don't hold a tune very well at all. For the money they aren't bad, but wouldn't be my choice.

I'm also a firm believer that you get what you pay for. That's just the way it works in this hobby. You can go cheap and get decent stuff or you can spend the money and get the best. That's a decision you have to make for your own personal situation.

I'm an OS guy and nothing else has really impressed me. There are a lot of good engines out there, but to me the OS stuff is overall the best. The new OS engines should be even better.

As a rule, I don't like Taiwan engines. They always seem to lack quality when compared to Italian or Japanese made engines. I have run many different brands of engines and my favorite is OS, followed by Novarossi.

There's my 2 cents. Flame away!:lol:

clio 09-22-2010 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by JAMMINKRAZY (Post 7973206)
The bad ones just won't run right from the get go

I had one of those. Pain in the #ss. Never held a tune.

houston 09-22-2010 02:12 PM

mmmmmmm caramel covered popcorn :p

pntmachine 09-22-2010 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by houston (Post 7973380)
mmmmmmm caramel covered popcorn :p

LOL, snow caps or milk duds please.:nod:

CompetitionHeat 09-22-2010 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by houston (Post 7973380)
mmmmmmm caramel covered popcorn :p

These Bon Bons are excellent...:p

shanem121 09-22-2010 03:06 PM

If you want a sick motor talk to Neal at Clock works. I highly recommend the JL.21 This motor is OFF THE HOOK. Especially for the price.

ben1970 09-22-2010 03:27 PM

Simple Green,if you are interested in GO Engines,have a look at the GO thread.
I personally am getting excellent results running GO Engines.
The new GX series is a major step up in quality from the previous series.
Just my 0.2c,evey brand has their fans and haters.

Simple GREEN 09-22-2010 03:54 PM

Maximo,

your CLOCKWORK JL .21 PRO #52207 what kind of lifetime is this engine getting considering buying one of these but have never had a modded engine OR a ofna engine, so I am a bit hesitant

also it says under the add:
SPECIAL PROMO: Hand lapped Piston & Sleeve break in service is included in all Clockwork modified engines.

what dose that mean?

riverviewrc 09-22-2010 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by Simple GREEN (Post 7973756)
Maximo,

your CLOCKWORK JL .21 PRO #52207 what kind of lifetime is this engine getting considering buying one of these but have never had a modded engine OR a ofna engine, so I am a bit hesitant

also it says under the add:
SPECIAL PROMO: Hand lapped Piston & Sleeve break in service is included in all Clockwork modified engines.

what dose that mean?

I don't know exactly what it means technically so I'll let Neal answer that but it makes break in alottttt easier :D

dreaux 09-22-2010 04:25 PM

What do you want? Power? millege? reliability?

You will not find a more powerful .21 engine then my clockwork modded jpx. It's crazy fast and powerful, but it is TOTALLY not necessary. I have several vspecs and ninja's and they are great engines with great runtimes. However from what i have seen personally, and i had to buy another engine it would be the werks b5. It's only 200$ and if you were to take ninja's, vspec, plus 4 four and ran them side by side you would not tell the difference. It's a great engine and my buddy is getting 13+ minutes per tank. DOn't know how long they last or how hard they are to tune though. TYe alphas are screaming too, but i know little about them except they run really well.

A little more pricey but the ninja has everything you could want in a motor long lasting, easy tune, powerful and killer mileage. But if i were you i would at least go to clockworks home page and see what might be best for you. The clocked jl is a monster and is only 250

dreaux 09-22-2010 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by Simple GREEN (Post 7973756)
Maximo,

your CLOCKWORK JL .21 PRO #52207 what kind of lifetime is this engine getting considering buying one of these but have never had a modded engine OR a ofna engine, so I am a bit hesitant

also it says under the add:
SPECIAL PROMO: Hand lapped Piston & Sleeve break in service is included in all Clockwork modified engines.

what dose that mean?

it means that the piston and sleeve are hand fitted for the best possible fit. It makes the break in much easier and shorter. It's also alot less stressful on your engine internalls. When i got mine, it was about as closest as a fit you can get and break in was way better then what i was used too.

dreaux 09-22-2010 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by rageworks (Post 7972699)
So what exactly don't you buy JWM2?
I own one of the first GO engines that Neal ever
Clocked. It is about four years old now and has
had at least a dozen gallons of fuel ran through it.
It is still one bad arsed screamin engine and will
still eat a Toro Nero for lunch.
I agree with Neal, there is NO BEST ENGINE. The track
you run on, your driving style, your clutch, gearing and
tire set-ups and other factors will determine the best
engine/pipe combo for you. That is why I keep over a
a dozen different engines and at least that many pipe
and header combos. Rather than rely on what someone
posts is the best header/pipe combo for an engne, I actualy
take the time to find out for myself. Instead of doing the hands
on research to find the ideal engine, people would rather let
someone else make their descisions for them. The same people
that start this kind of thread are the same ones that will want
to know the majic number of turns on them there carbrater screws
next week.:lol:

great post. But some of us don't have the cheddar to buy a dozen engines to try. I do however pay attention at the track and post my honest opinions. I went with neal because of his reputation and word of mouth. It was one of the best decisions i ever made. So this kind of thread is not totally pointless. I am however cautious of people recommending engines that they are sponsored by.

Honestly there is not any real "bad" engines out there: nova, rb, reedy, ninja, o.s., werks, alpha, orion, picco, sirio etc etc. They are all good. But as far as getting my buisness neal has all my money in the future. His engines and service are out of this world.

I would also like to try a nova p5 and a werks b5

makaluch 09-22-2010 05:09 PM

FYI:
Ofna makes the Picco.
Jammin is the racing division of Ofna (like HB to HPI) and they make the JPX.

Edit: not entirely accurate. Change "makes" to "distributes". Specifics below.

Jaz240 09-22-2010 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by makaluch (Post 7974104)
FYI:
Ofna makes the Picco.
Jammin is the racing division of Ofna (like HB to HPI) and they make the JPX.

Not quite. Actually ofna makes nothing. Ofna is nothing more than the the major distributer of jammin, Hong-Nor, Hobao, and Picco. Picco makes Picco and Picco also makes the jammin engine for Jay Halsey and his jammin line. Ofna is just another Horizon except they have their name on allot of products instead of the manufacturer's name

JAMMINKRAZY 09-22-2010 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by Jaz240 (Post 7974129)
Not quite. Actually ofna makes nothing. Ofna is nothing more than the the major distributer of jammin, Hong-Nor, Hobao, and Picco. Picco makes Picco and Picco also makes the jammin engine for Jay Halsey and his jammin line. Ofna is just another Horizon except they have their name on allot of products instead of the manufacturer's name

Yep and Hong-Nor makes Jammin for Jay, so there really isn't a Jammin either.:lol: Picco is Picco. They're an Italian engine factory that's been around for a LONG time.;)

Simple GREEN 09-22-2010 05:18 PM

I have noticed most of you are recommending the b5 over the b6 for the buggy what my understanding was the b5 was more of a powerhouse truggy engine and the b6 was supposed to get better fuel mileage and have a smoother power-band and therefor be a better buggy engine, but so far I have herd b5 all the way more fuel mileage and a better engine all around...

getting confused:weird:

Jaz240 09-22-2010 05:19 PM

and after all these years we are still waiting for them to straighten out their exhaust port :lol:


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