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ALLSPEED 09-26-2010 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by JAMMINKRAZY (Post 7988312)
Wise man! That's the problem I have with all these "which is better" type deals. It always comes down to which one has the most power. Truth is we can hardly use the power that most of these engines make in the first place. If I had the choice of owning the most powerful engine on the planet or a more moderate, smooth engine, it would be the smooth one for me every time.:nod:

IDK about you but I drive my rc's like I stole them. I use every bit of power they put out. Two jumps back to back and one spaced out. Most go for the double. I'm shooting for the tripple. Thats what the higher ups are made for. Don't say the power is'n needed just come clean and say you can't harnest it.

ALLSPEED 09-26-2010 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by hambone (Post 7987057)
If i may here, I run a a EB modded speed, Murnan modded C6 USA and a JP B8 with a crank outta a Kangaroo onroad engine. All 3 of them are holy hell sweet! My friend just got his clocked B5 but hasn't bought the 2013 pipe yet so we had some crappy sts pipe on it. Neal's B5 is on a higher level than the engines i'm accustomed to. I'm honestly not blowing smoke here. I've seen it break glue on tires set after set. Didn't believe it til i saw it. I have one coming next week. I'm honestly not a werks fan but i cannot deny what i've seen. I'm not sure how well it will work on a slick track though, lol. Very nasty.

I've thought about and I can agree with this post. Murman mods are not impresive to me at all. Get the whole Kangaroo engine and compare that. EB mods engine was it ported and polished?

houston 09-26-2010 12:27 PM

mmmmmm bon bons :lol:

JAMMINKRAZY 09-26-2010 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by ALLSPEED (Post 7988585)
IDK about you but I drive my rc's like I stole them. I use every bit of power they put out. Two jumps back to back and one spaced out. Most go for the double. I'm shooting for the tripple. Thats what the higher ups are made for. Don't say the power is'n needed just come clean and say you can't harnest it.

In most cases it is not needed. This isn't On-road. We usually don't have enough traction to efficiently use all of the power.;)

I agree Monty, Bon Bon's are good.:nod::D

makaluch 09-26-2010 01:08 PM

When my engine outperforms my ability to drive, setup, and tune, I've wasted my hard-earned money. Personally, I know my abilities and I know that a "top shelf" engine won't make me better until my other skills are up to par.

The wisest choice I could make for my abilities and seriousness is a HES Tuned N21R Limited with a recommended pipe set that'll tame the bottom and stretch it's legs. It'll last forever and perform great even if I screw up the tune (you can't say that about many other engines). I can even gear it up if I think I'm losing in the straights (because that's where we win and lose races, right?). That's not a plug for Monty...that's just straight up thinking and matching my engine to my abilities without pissin in the wind. Am I gonna be wise? Iono...maybe, maybe not.

K back to the show. What did I miss? Oh crap...sorry fellas, forgot the kettle corn and raisinettes. I ate the Bon Bons on the way... They were melting. I HAD TO! :D

houston 09-26-2010 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by makaluch (Post 7988792)
When my engine outperforms my ability to drive, setup, and tune, I've wasted my hard-earned money. Personally, I know my abilities and I know that a top shelf engine won't make me better until my other skills are up to par.

The wisest choice I could make for my abilities and seriousness is a HES Tuned N21R Limited with a recommended pipe set that'll tame the bottom and stretch it's legs. It'll last forever and perform great even if I screw up the tune (you can't say that about many other engines). I can even gear it up if I think I'm losing in the straights (because that's where we win and lose races, right?). That's not a plug for Monty...that's just straight up thinking and matching my engine to my abilities without pissin in the wind. Am I gonna be wise? Iono...maybe, maybe not.

K back to the show. What did I miss? Oh crap...sorry fellas, forgot the kettle corn and raisinettes. I ate the Bon Bons on the way... They were melting. I HAD TO! :D

dammmmmm you!!! :lol:

kgombe 09-26-2010 02:44 PM

i got Beer.. Sam Adams October Fest.... but i need wings..

deadmancourt 09-26-2010 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by kgombe (Post 7989048)
i got Beer.. Sam Adams October Fest.... but i need wings..

I GOT THE WINGS!:cool:....let me get 1 of them OKTOBERFEST'S:nod: i love SAM ADAMS!:batman:

deadmancourt 09-26-2010 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by makaluch (Post 7988792)
When my engine outperforms my ability to drive, setup, and tune, I've wasted my hard-earned money. Personally, I know my abilities and I know that a "top shelf" engine won't make me better until my other skills are up to par. :D

+1 yeah if i could only stay OFF my lid:nod::ha:

kgombe 09-26-2010 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by deadmancourt (Post 7989066)
I GOT THE WINGS!:cool:....let me get 1 of them OKTOBERFEST'S:nod: i love SAM ADAMS!:batman:

oh yeah man.. they rule....

Jed the Geezer 09-26-2010 03:54 PM

Kijana ... I introduced myself at the GLORCS race at HardcoreRC ... mentioned I knew Reggie from the LST forums ... I'm in the middle of switching from a Mugen MBX5T to Eight-T 2.0 ... it may not be done before the snow flies but hook up with me the start of next season at either DORC or Hardcore .... I would be happy to let you try out Neal's JPX.21 ... quite sure, having seen you wheel ... you will drive it better than I do LOL

Jeff

Here it is in the 5T

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf7gAKynw60

Can't wait to try it in the much lighter 2.0 :nod:

kgombe 09-26-2010 04:19 PM

ight man... we'll swap sometime....

got_nitro 09-26-2010 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 7984578)
Not modded by me. ;)

It took me a while to read the rest of this thread. Looks like you have a lot of stuff on your plate since the last time.:tire::cool:

Maximo 09-26-2010 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by JAMMINKRAZY (Post 7988312)
Wise man! That's the problem I have with all these "which is better" type deals. It always comes down to which one has the most power. Truth is we can hardly use the power that most of these engines make in the first place. If I had the choice of owning the most powerful engine on the planet or a more moderate, smooth engine, it would be the smooth one for me every time.:nod:


I think where the issues come from is the misconceptions people have about their favorite engine brands.... In one corner we have OS fans here claiming the V-Spec and Speeds are the fastest,nastiest wildest offroad engines on the market...And in the other corner we have OS fans who say they like OS due to the smooth tractable powerbands and easy tuning characteristics.......Same goes for the Nova's ... Some claim that no engine on the planet can match the sheer craziness of the FMS,Toro,21-7 etc, and in the other corner we have Nova fans who praise the engines because of their smooth tractable powerbands......... You can't have it both ways..If an engine is smooth and tractable it is not possible for it to also be some crazy power monster engine....I mean the fanboys have taken this whole debate way to far and made claims about their favorite engines that completely contradict what each other is saying............... I will never argue that a Speed is not a wonderful track engine, its buttery smooth and very tractable...Same goes for the Nova's I have tested this year... They are very smooth, tractable and very easy to drive fast.......But please don't start trying to say a OS Speed or a FMS is going to match the power and speed of a engine like a modified JPX.. The JPX is not smooth, its a handful at the best of the times...But for those looking for something really explosive and crazy fast there is no better option............ No engine can be everything... if an engine makes crazy insane power it will not be buttery smooth like a Speed ...And if an engine is buttery smooth and tractable then its not crazy powerful...its as simple as that...........

Personally I think much of the issue with these debates is that there are very few people who have actual experience successfully running multiple brands of engines... Many guys have good luck with one single brand and just make assumptions about the rest... rather then relying on real world hands on experience they make all their statements based purely on assumptions...Too much tunnel vision for my taste !

J.Whiting 09-26-2010 05:06 PM

sorry guys you did it to yourself.. with all the complaints thread will now be closed...


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