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jonw 05-24-2015 06:40 PM

Amen Brutha


Originally Posted by houston (Post 14022187)
Fyi , i have NEVER once been underpowered using 2096 41021 setup ,EVER and no im not a slow guy , i dont "bash" my cars in a field , I RACE RC CARS

I have had issues with bearings in chassis that made it feel like the engine sucked ,put 4 or 5 engines in and they all did the same thing , replaced all bearings and voila , issue solved , felt free with no load buuuut .......

Viva la novarossi


Stubbs 05-25-2015 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 14021880)
the 41021 manifold hurts top end quite a bit compared to a 41001... so if you want to go faster get rid of the 41021.... Looking at losing roughly 5000 RPM of usable powerband going from the 41021 as compared to the 41001....


How does the 41001 compare to the 41020? Not on this specific engine, but just in general?

shannow 05-25-2015 11:58 AM

Today I tried the 2096 vs 9901 and I preferred the 9901 although I'll probably not buy it.

With the 2096 you sort of have a "lag" between the moment you pull the throttle and the engine reeving up. It's small but with the 9901 the engine feels way more connected to the car. It's instantaneous.
Funnily the 9901 was faster in the straight even against the 2096 + almost 1/2 leaner on the HSN. Weird as everybody agree on the oposite.
The 9901 is much louder.
Apart from that the lap time was pretty close and not worth me rushing to buy the 9901. Maybe when I'll have some spare money laying around...

Thanks again for all the help

cczjordan 05-25-2015 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by shannow (Post 14024706)
Today I tried the 2096 vs 9901 and I preferred the 9901 although I'll probably not buy it.

With the 2096 you sort of have a "lag" between the moment you pull the throttle and the engine reeving up. It's small but with the 9901 the engine feels way more connected to the car. It's instantaneous.
Funnily the 9901 was faster in the straight even against the 2096 + almost 1/2 leaner on the HSN. Weird as everybody agree on the oposite.
The 9901 is much louder.
Apart from that the lap time was pretty close and not worth me rushing to buy the 9901. Maybe when I'll have some spare money laying around...

Thanks again for all the help

Thats strange, which manifold?

houston 05-25-2015 10:30 PM


Originally Posted by shannow (Post 14022256)
With a P5xlt ?

The bearings have all been changed with the P5xlt and are regularly checked one by one every two weeks or so during the full disassembly for cleaning purposes. So I think I'm clear for this problem (gear mech is ok too everywhere and I'm using the std spur with a 13t pinion) .

I just don't understand why my engine doesn't sort of leap forward like the other guys do :(.

The lsn has been set 1/4 turn rich when the engine started to be a bit lean. It was actually set 1/8 leaner than what I have by the local pros but I found was then a bit of a pig to start.

I'm going to strip the clutch to double check the spring thickness.

Thank you again for all the inputs !

Hsn too lean , lsn too rich ,,sounds like typical mistune on a novarossi

At least thats what it sounds like

If youre richening your lsn to get rid of a "lean bog" youre doing it wrong

houston 05-25-2015 10:33 PM


Originally Posted by shannow (Post 14024706)
Today I tried the 2096 vs 9901 and I preferred the 9901 although I'll probably not buy it.

With the 2096 you sort of have a "lag" between the moment you pull the throttle and the engine reeving up. It's small but with the 9901 the engine feels way more connected to the car. It's instantaneous.
Funnily the 9901 was faster in the straight even against the 2096 + almost 1/2 leaner on the HSN. Weird as everybody agree on the oposite.
The 9901 is much louder.
Apart from that the lap time was pretty close and not worth me rushing to buy the 9901. Maybe when I'll have some spare money laying around...

Thanks again for all the help

Maybe your 2096 has an issue ,needs to be cleaned internally or broken internally? Something to that effect

Eivind E 05-26-2015 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by shannow (Post 14024706)
Today I tried the 2096 vs 9901 and I preferred the 9901 although I'll probably not buy it.

That's odd, because "everyone" including myself like the 2096 way better.
9901 less topend, different bottom end.. I just don't like it much.

shannow 05-26-2015 10:32 AM

We tried on both my mate's BTT4 and my P5xlt with two separate 2096 so it's unlikely a faulty 2096 I think :(.
He retuned his BTT4 when he changed the can (going from 9901 to 2096) he had to lean quite a bit.
I didn't change much my tuning going from 2096 to the 9901 the top end was ok but it's true the LSN (?) was a tad too lean you could almost hear the engine bog but only at the end of the long straight when closing totally the throttle at full rpm. Wasn't sure to touch the lsn or hsn and as it was just a lend I didn't wan't to upset my original settings, maybe I should've been braver.

One thing I discovered yesterday is that I'm the only one with a 13t bell... everybody has a 14t on their car. It could help as the surface is very slippery (1/2" very thin dust on hard pack almost like flour).

cczjordan 05-26-2015 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by shannow (Post 14026167)
We tried on both my mate's BTT4 and my P5xlt with two separate 2096 so it's unlikely a faulty 2096 I think :(.
He retuned his BTT4 when he changed the can (going from 9901 to 2096) he had to lean quite a bit.
I didn't change much my tuning going from 2096 to the 9901 the top end was ok but it's true the LSN (?) was a tad too lean you could almost hear the engine bog but only at the end of the long straight when closing totally the throttle at full rpm. Wasn't sure to touch the lsn or hsn and as it was just a lend I didn't wan't to upset my original settings, maybe I should've been braver.

One thing I discovered yesterday is that I'm the only one with a 13t bell... everybody has a 14t on their car. It could help as the surface is very slippery (1/2" very thin dust on hard pack almost like flour).

Just richen hsn 1-2 hours will not harm d engine, but keep the idle gap n lsn correct

Maximo 05-27-2015 07:29 AM

41001 vs 41021
 

Originally Posted by Stubbs (Post 14024244)
How does the 41001 compare to the 41020? Not on this specific engine, but just in general?

On this engine the 41021 did pretty good in comparison...you can see the 41021 has a slight advantage in the early midrange, but the 41001 has more initial power , broader powerband and more peak HP....

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps6uugnllw.jpg

Maximo 05-27-2015 07:41 AM

And here is another graph from the same engine comparing the 9901, 2096 and a RB 2097..

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m...pscriio5m6.jpg

Maximo 05-27-2015 07:46 AM

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cczjordan 05-27-2015 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 14027664)
And here is another graph from the same engine comparing the 9901, 2096 and a RB 2097..

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m...pscriio5m6.jpg

Can someone pointed out which color belong to which pipe, good analysis but not so good labelling

kgombe 05-27-2015 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by cczjordan (Post 14028596)
Can someone pointed out which color belong to which pipe, good analysis but not so good labelling

royal blue and green 2097

light and red 9901


purple and yellow 2096

AllyITA 05-27-2015 11:29 PM


Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 14027664)
And here is another graph from the same engine comparing the 9901, 2096 and a RB 2097..

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m...pscriio5m6.jpg

that sudden drop at 32000rpm from the 9901 seems a little odd.. why is that?


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