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Maximo 05-30-2015 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by Hoese37 (Post 14031729)
So what would be a good pipe for a 421/821B?


I was just going to dyno test the new Top Elite 8 ...I will try all the usual pipes and will get back to you on what I find..

bash bros 05-30-2015 07:48 PM

After run oil
 
Don't really want to start another thread on this, but what else works well as ARO?

I've heard people use Marvel Myster oil or even sewing machine oil.

Isn't the Singer machine oil just the same white mineral oil you'd find anywhere?

cczjordan 06-01-2015 03:46 AM

Toro nero/Bonito
 

Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 14030283)
SO here is my modified Top Elite 5 being run on both a 9853 and a 9886...this engine loves the 41005 manifold...IMO this engine has one of the best overall powerbands that I have seen

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m...psdhcidxha.jpg

Do you have any test result with toro/bonito with any pipe?

jazjato 06-02-2015 09:28 PM

Suggestions on a pipe for a p5xl
 
All this talk of pipes has me wondering what the best pipe would be for a p5xl I have on my buggy. Local track has about a hundred feet straight and a good sweeper turn. I currently have a dynamite 086 speed on it now. Getting decent power, but wonder what better options are out there.
Thanks

TRUGGYRACER1 06-03-2015 03:01 AM

I have a maxy quatro 4 port, What header would give me the most top end from a 2096? I have a 41001,41021 and a 41032

BillySnarf 06-03-2015 07:11 AM

what carb and where to buy
 
I tried a search and just got more confusion. I have 2 motors, a Nova +21-4c , and a Maxy Cinco .. I need a carb that will work with both of these. Have no idea which one or where to purchase.. Anyone help me with Nova carbs?

Thanks

dmartin 06-03-2015 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by BillySnarf (Post 14038191)
I tried a search and just got more confusion. I have 2 motors, a Nova +21-4c , and a Maxy Cinco .. I need a carb that will work with both of these. Have no idea which one or where to purchase.. Anyone help me with Nova carbs?

Thanks

The 24067 is the carb that came on the Cinco and may have come on the 21-4C as well. It was the standard carb until this year. Some of the 2015 engines are being sent out with the new 24068 which is supposed to be easier to tune and get better milage. Drake runs the 24068 on his engines.

BillySnarf 06-03-2015 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by dmartin (Post 14038246)
The 24067 is the carb that came on the Cinco and may have come on the 21-4C as well. It was the standard carb until this year. Some of the 2015 engines are being sent out with the new 24068 which is supposed to be easier to tune and get better milage. Drake runs the 24068 on his engines.


Ok thank you very much for the part numbers. Cleared things up for me. Now I just need to figure out where to buy one. I found maybe 1 place online to order one and it was not a place I was familiar with..

TRUGGYRACER1 06-03-2015 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by TRUGGYRACER1 (Post 14037951)
I have a maxy quatro 4 port, What header would give me the most top end from a 2096? I have a 41001,41021 and a 41032

Any help please??

hambone 06-03-2015 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by TRUGGYRACER1 (Post 14038788)
Any help please??

41001

jazjato 06-05-2015 02:53 PM

20%-30% for my p5
 
So after serval years off I got my buggy back on the track. Although I asked for 30% fuel I received 20%. I did not notice it until nearly the end of the gallon the other day. I did notice the car was not as snappy but just figured I had not race tuned the engine or my memory was off. The engine is shimmed for 30% and has an odonald 99 plug yet has never idled or given me a 10 plus minute run time and temp at 230 while on 30% as it has on 20% the last two weeks out.

Should I bother going back to 30%? And if so should I go back to factory needle settings or just richness hsn and lsn an hour or so? If not should I remove the shim?

Jerm13 06-05-2015 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by jazjato (Post 14041575)
So after serval years off I got my buggy back on the track. Although I asked for 30% fuel I received 20%. I did not notice it until nearly the end of the gallon the other day. I did notice the car was not as snappy but just figured I had not race tuned the engine or my memory was off. The engine is shimmed for 30% and has an odonald 99 plug yet has never idled or given me a 10 plus minute run time and temp at 230 while on 30% as it has on 20% the last two weeks out.

Should I bother going back to 30%? And if so should I go back to factory needle settings or just richness hsn and lsn an hour or so? If not should I remove the shim?

Most Nova's come shimmed for 25% nitro, so unless you adjusted it to run 30%, leaving it alone would be ok. Switching from 30 to 20 will require you to adjust your needles. Starting from the factory settings is always the best way so you know where you are at exactly. No guess work. If its close now, you may be lucky enough to just go a couple hours one way or the other. Also when you lower your nitro content, you will loose some snap on the bottom and some on the top. Less bang in the tank...Its normal.

If you are happy with it, it has a good idle, good smoke on take off and at full throttle down the straight, good power and you are running 10 minutes.... I would leave it:sneaky:

Eivind E 06-05-2015 09:37 PM


Originally Posted by Jerm13 (Post 14041735)
Most Nova's come shimmed for 25% nitro

I think it's the other way around, they come shimmed for 30

kgombe 06-05-2015 09:42 PM


Originally Posted by Eivind E (Post 14041989)
I think it's the other way around, they come shimmed for 30

Actually they say its shimmed for 25%, maybe they can't use no higher than 25% across the pond?

just checked a manual here and the recommended fuel is 25%

jazjato 06-06-2015 05:50 AM

Although I miss the snap. The run time, idle, and no flame outs this gallon of fuel has been nice. I may just leave it alone.
Thanks guys

sn47som1 06-06-2015 09:16 PM

Hey guys, at the moment my Nova Keep Off 7 has 2 silver ( I think each is .2mm) head shims, so a total of .4mm head shim thickness. Can I remove one to test for power and performance changes? - Thank you!

cczjordan 06-07-2015 12:04 AM


Originally Posted by sn47som1 (Post 14043012)
Hey guys, at the moment my Nova Keep Off 7 has 2 silver ( I think each is .2mm) head shims, so a total of .4mm head shim thickness. Can I remove one to test for power and performance changes? - Thank you!

Not sure bout d keep off but depends on the % of nitro u using, if nova c6 shouldn't be a problem.

Some taiwanese motor love higher compression ratio, not sure bout nova

beidle99 06-07-2015 03:23 AM


Originally Posted by sn47som1 (Post 14043012)
Hey guys, at the moment my Nova Keep Off 7 has 2 silver ( I think each is .2mm) head shims, so a total of .4mm head shim thickness. Can I remove one to test for power and performance changes? - Thank you!

I dont know about the Keep off engines, but Nova's typically come with .8mm shimming and after a few gallons you can remove a .2mm and add a .1mm to get to .7mm. Chances are you are missing something, or the brass shim is stuck to the head button.

Eivind E 06-07-2015 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by kgombe (Post 14041995)
Actually they say its shimmed for 25%, maybe they can't use no higher than 25% across the pond?

just checked a manual here and the recommended fuel is 25%


Originally Posted by beidle99 (Post 14043135)
I dont know about the Keep off engines, but Nova's typically come with .8mm shimming and after a few gallons you can remove a .2mm and add a .1mm to get to .7mm. Chances are you are missing something, or the brass shim is stuck to the head button.

My understanding was the .8 shimming is good for 30%, and .7 is just right for 25%.

Hence why I thought they came shimmed for 30. IF they now come shimmed for 25 (.7) then that would be different.

rallyebmx 06-07-2015 01:18 PM

I have a brand new keep off 4 crank shaft that I sent to Lance at RcRenew to be silicone filled. Never used, never installed. Pm me if interested

sn47som1 06-07-2015 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by beidle99 (Post 14043135)
I dont know about the Keep off engines, but Nova's typically come with .8mm shimming and after a few gallons you can remove a .2mm and add a .1mm to get to .7mm. Chances are you are missing something, or the brass shim is stuck to the head button.

Thats the thing, there is no brass shim. ONLY 2 silvers. I would like to remove one. Wats the worst that could happen? pre detonation? It actually sounds like then Im already running a high compression ratio with .4mm which is what I was thinking, but Id like to raise it more....

sn47som1 06-07-2015 05:14 PM

Actually to be honest Im just assuming they are .2 because I thought all silvers were .2 but maybe they are thicker like .3 or .4mm shims each making a total of .6 or .8mm.... I cant measure them at the moment

kgombe 06-07-2015 06:17 PM

the silver shims are .3

merdith6 06-07-2015 06:18 PM

well
 
The copper shim may be sandwiched between the 2 .30 shims.

The stock setup is 2 .30 silver shims and one .20 copper or brass shim for a total of .80.

sn47som1 06-07-2015 07:24 PM

Thanks so much guys! Cool, so now I know I'm running a .6mm stack. Have any of you run .3mm?

pballer2777 06-07-2015 07:29 PM

i have a plus 4 that has just about had it. i love the engine, but its time to move on. whats the closest engine to it currently? i love the fact of how smooth it is in my buggy and would like to get the same from my next mill.

houston 06-07-2015 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by pballer2777 (Post 14044043)
i have a plus 4 that has just about had it. i love the engine, but its time to move on. whats the closest engine to it currently? i love the fact of how smooth it is in my buggy and would like to get the same from my next mill.

plus 21-4btts?

lmk if you are looking for one

new engines are drnt bore x stroke , the mito4

houston 06-07-2015 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by sn47som1 (Post 14043888)
Thats the thing, there is no brass shim. ONLY 2 silvers. I would like to remove one. Wats the worst that could happen? pre detonation? It actually sounds like then Im already running a high compression ratio with .4mm which is what I was thinking, but Id like to raise it more....

piston will hit the squish band on head button , engine will be toast

sn47som1 06-08-2015 02:50 PM

Thanks Monty! looks like ill be leaving it alone lol

sn47som1 06-08-2015 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by pballer2777 (Post 14044043)
i have a plus 4 that has just about had it. i love the engine, but its time to move on. whats the closest engine to it currently? i love the fact of how smooth it is in my buggy and would like to get the same from my next mill.

I saw a Mito 4 run a few weeks ago. It was so linear and smooth all the way from bottom to top. Im sure you wouldn't be disappointed at all. The guy running it claimed he was getting over 11 and 1/2 mins run time too :0 Could have been a crazy small venturi he was running.... idk

pballer2777 06-08-2015 04:43 PM

i assume any of the 4 port engines would be similar to the plus 4?

wichitafc98 06-08-2015 05:32 PM

None of the new Novarossi 4 are anything Plus 4. The mito is soooooo smooth and great and fast power band.

CHOAS 06-08-2015 06:00 PM

Few Questions for the Novarossi Masters:
1. is the crank in the Mito slugged (if so how many weights) and silicone ramped ?

2. are the cranks that are slugged drilled and filled with lighter material to reduce weight or drilled and filled with heaver material to increase weight?

3. Keep off7 XLBS for truggy and Keep off 4s buggy ?

4 Why did they discontinue Keep off 7 xl line ?

5. Why did the keep Bonito line ?

6. What engine do I want if I want to kick the ass of a OS Speed B2101 sq. bore, Speed Spec II long stroke ,Protek Samuri short stroke, JQ The Engine short stroke speed

7. What is the beast of the line up?

8. What is the smooth power engine in the line up?

9. :eek:

:eek:

SupermaxxRich 06-08-2015 09:02 PM

3 slugs per crank. Heavier slugs to balance the crank. No silicone. If you wanna whoop on some OS Speed get the mito 7.

cczjordan 06-09-2015 03:54 AM


Originally Posted by CHOAS (Post 14045544)
Few Questions for the Novarossi Masters:
1. is the crank in the Mito slugged (if so how many weights) and silicone ramped ?

2. are the cranks that are slugged drilled and filled with lighter material to reduce weight or drilled and filled with heaver material to increase weight?

3. Keep off7 XLBS for truggy and Keep off 4s buggy ?

4 Why did they discontinue Keep off 7 xl line ?

5. Why did the keep Bonito line ?

6. What engine do I want if I want to kick the ass of a OS Speed Bo21 sq. bore,Speed spec II, long stroke Protek Samuri short stroke, JQ The Engine short stroke speed

7. What is the beast of the line up?

8. What is the smooth power engine in the line up?

9. :eek:

:eek:

I believe only basher will need the the so called beast n can smoke os speed down the STRAIGHT. Imo a good engine is when u feel smooth n produce the best laptime. Powerful doesnt mean reduce laptime

cczjordan 06-09-2015 08:40 AM

I use serpent buggy n nova 41021 /2096 doesnt fit well, which similar manifold will give better clearance? Or i just try to bend it a bit?

ctbasher 06-09-2015 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by cczjordan (Post 14046418)
I use serpent buggy n nova 41021 /2096 doesnt fit well, which similar manifold will give better clearance? Or i just try to bend it a bit?

41029 (tighter bend for MBX6-7) should work.

Maximo 06-09-2015 09:34 AM

Top Elite 8 is really badass

cczjordan 06-09-2015 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by ctbasher (Post 14046477)
41029 (tighter bend for MBX6-7) should work.

Thanks

sn47som1 06-09-2015 10:50 AM

MAXIMO, What would you recommend for an all out beast engine for buggy (Clocked of course) from the new lines? Your Mito 7, Legend 7, Elite 8? Paloma?


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