Originally Posted by Chris Peralta (Post 10360483)

Ok smart guy, where did I say I had better info? I simply said he quoted a very experienced person in a thread that is not a clockwork racing thread. I asked him what his tests were based on and said I hope it's more than mod engines for him to quote Monty like that. Glad you and Neal touch pepes enough that you feel you need to stick up for him :lol:

Originally Posted by Chris Peralta (Post 10360483)

Ok smart guy, where did I say I had better info? I simply said he quoted a very experienced person in a thread that is not a clockwork racing thread. I asked him what his tests were based on and said I hope it's more than mod engines for him to quote Monty like that. Glad you and Neal touch pepes enough that you feel you need to stick up for him :lol:

Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 10360444)

I have no desire to discredit anyone else...what someone else believes has no relevance whatsoever to my own findings.....

I have most definitely tested several stock engines...as I already said, every engine is different... I gave a case study of a Clocked Bonito....as that was the engine we did the most in depth testing with......I do not see anywhere that I am discrediting anyone else....If their view doesn't match my own its not my fault , And I do not believe I should feel obligated to withhold my experiences because it doesn't agree with popular belief.....Sorry dude, but if anything you guys are the ones trying to discredit me, not the other way around......It doesn't bother me much what other people are doing, Someone asked in the thread what filling a crank does, I answered...then pretty much got told I was missing the boat, so I came back and clarified why I said what I said about crank filler being overrated ..... its nothing personal, nor a knock at anyone else...I just happen not to agree with popular belief is all !

Originally Posted by kgombe (Post 10360741)

your words tend say a different thing than what you are trying to get across.. maybe try to word your stuff differently and things maybe different... now this is just an example not a flame or me coming at you.. so don't take it the wrong way.. but when you say things like.. their beliefs and your your tests.... it sound like they have no data and they are only running their mouths... what i'm saying is that you have no proof that they haven't done any test.. but by saying their beliefs vs your tests you are implying this...



having said that ... disclaimer.. it was not an attack just an observation...

although we have had our differences i have never discredited your work.. so take this post as constructive criticism..

Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 10360150)

I have been meaning to comment on this one, but have been too busy to sit down and do it !

Anyways every engine is different in how it responds to having the crank stuffed.......some engines pick up power, some lose power....... I do not think the ramp itself has much effect on the mixture path and the differences we do feel are a response to the change in crankcase volume more then anything else...... But where I have seen the ramp affect the engine is when too much silicone is used to ramp the crank and it gets in the way of the mixture path...this hurts power, and I have seen it on the dyno......... If you think about it, the more places the mixture makes contact, the more separation it experiences ..just like sticking your fingers in the patch of a spray can.... The less we contact the incoming mixture the better the mixture flows with the least amount of separation.. All too often i see cranks that are over stuffed ..which not only causes a loss of power, it also reduces the engines mileage........Some factories cranks are actually over stuffed right off the bat, and can see noticeable improvements just by opening the channel up...they not only pickup power, they also usually pickup runtime.........In the end the crankfiller should not get in the path of the incoming mixture...filling a void in the nose of the crank is one thing, but partially blocking the intake path with a ramp of silicone is not a good idea. IMHO.....When I fill a crank I try to make sure my ramp will make as little contact with the mixture as possible....

This season I did a test comparing filled crank vs non filled crank using the Bonito...... Judging by whats written on these forums It seems stuffing the crank on the Bonito is believed to be the single most important mod that can be done to it.......As apparently this mod brings out the bottom end of the engine........... I actually ran a non filled Bonito vs half a dozen of the filled Bonito's all season long on the track.....During the season we all swapped controllers back and forth , and even did a few drag races.......You cannot tell which Bonito is filled and which one is not...these is absolutely zero difference on the track..... not one person could tell ..... The Bonito with the non filled crank had just as much bottom end as the filled crank Bonito...and whats really strange is the non filled crank engine actually was a little better on fuel.......


Anyways here is a video of the modified Bonito that does not have a filled crank.... It has massive bottom end and has no issues with idling down....so in the the end what was said/thought/sold to be the most important modification that can be made to the Bonito ended up being quite worthless for improving its performance.....And this is not just dyno testing, this is a pile of on track testing with some pretty skilled/experienced drivers....There are dozens of modifications that can be done to a Bonito that are a thousand times more effective then putting silicone filler into its crankshaft...Now of course I have not tested every engine out there in this manner...

sorry for the long post guys, but I figured I have some good insight into this, as I did do a pretty thorough test on this during the season....cheers !

edit: in no way am I implying anyone else info is wrong or false....i am just relaying what I found with my own Bonito and several other engines I have tested..

Originally Posted by arm2storm (Post 10364102)

I didn't want to get into this one but your data and guessing is wrong. Do you know the difference between dynamic pressure and static pressure? Thats exactly what Monty was referring to. You are comparing a spray can blowing out pressure to a vacume pressure.

You may want to rethink your theory.

Originally Posted by houston (Post 10360025)

Did you make sure to transfer all the head shims?

Sounds like youre in the ballpark with the needles so kinda interesting ,

outside temps are?
If its colder out you might try c5tgc instead

Originally Posted by houston (Post 10364407)

Lifes not all about "heavy competition" for all

I believe Neal does great work and would never dispute that guys , he knows alot I am 100% positive of that

I wasnt really trying to "strike a blow" by that comment Neal , this got just a wee bit out of hand I would say , in case you didnt notice the "hefty" compliment in that same statement that you seemed to have found what you took as a strike at you , it was there

I consider your workmanship, dedication , customer service and product support on a great level of expertise man , sometimes we all just need to take a step back though;)


Viva la novarossi!

Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 10365059)

We must just speak a different language my friend ......Basically in Canadian :) your comment comes across as this " Neal you have your own head so far up your own arse you can't see the Forrest for the trees " ........:lol: now if thats not what you meant then I am at a loss...

Good luck at the races, I really wish I was there

Originally Posted by houston (Post 10365175)

That was kinda more of a generalized statement of sorts and also very true as I work with quite a few technicians who install mazak,mori seiki, matsurra and a number of high end mills . It is true that many of those guys who get what seems to be perceived as "full of theirselves" were too focused on certain aspects of a particular job that they would overlook a few simple things that were of great importance .

We are all our own people in this world and all have our own ways , its that simple