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xc7 06-02-2013 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by kelv (Post 12214671)
Guys,

Need some advise, what is the engine bearing size for
1) 4BTT
2) Bonito

What after market brand would you recommend or shud I just stick with nova bearings.

Tks
Kelv

1. Rear Bearing 14x25.8x6mm
2. Rear Bearing: 14.5x26x6mm

Both use NOVAROSSI 7X19X6.3 DUAL RUBBER SEALED FRONT BEARING # NOV17011

We recommend TKO ceramics if you are going aftermarket. Nov17011 for the front.

Maxxingout 06-02-2013 10:28 AM

This might be a dumb Q but I'm not 100% sure on the answer. When setting the idle gap, you do it with the venture out of the carb correct?

houston 06-02-2013 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by Maxxingout (Post 12215530)
This might be a dumb Q but I'm not 100% sure on the answer. When setting the idle gap, you do it with the venture out of the carb correct?

Yes

nothin special 06-02-2013 01:04 PM

What is the recommended idle gap for a Novarossi ?

CaptainHowdyt13 06-02-2013 05:23 PM

.6mm I believe

kelv 06-02-2013 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by xc7 (Post 12215254)
1. Rear Bearing 14x25.8x6mm
2. Rear Bearing: 14.5x26x6mm

Both use NOVAROSSI 7X19X6.3 DUAL RUBBER SEALED FRONT BEARING # NOV17011

We recommend TKO ceramics if you are going aftermarket. Nov17011 for the front.

Thank you very much for the advise.

Kelv

JJRC 06-02-2013 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by CaptainHowdyt13 (Post 12216626)
.6mm I believe

How do you accurately measure it?

CaptainHowdyt13 06-02-2013 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by JJRC (Post 12216678)
How do you accurately measure it?

You can crank the screw all the way in and then turn it out 1 and a quarter turn and you should be close. Or ive heard you can stick a paper clip in the idle gap and st adjust it to that width.

NZReilly 06-03-2013 12:09 AM

Hi there I have a bonito 7xl with ceramic rear bearing and have ordered the new keep off 7xl with ceramic rear bearing and was woundering what the difference is between the Two and what pipe people are using to have a smooth power band

t0p_sh0tta 06-03-2013 08:28 AM

So, another tuned pipe/manifold question.

I'm running a Beat B4 with a 41021/9901 combo. I don't give up anything to anybody on any parts of the track, but I'd like more top end. Switching to the short header should accomplish this, but will there be a noticeable decrease in torque down low? Should I be looking at other pipes?

Thanks.

Maximo 06-03-2013 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by t0p_sh0tta (Post 12218705)
So, another tuned pipe/manifold question.

I'm running a Beat B4 with a 41021/9901 combo. I don't give up anything to anybody on any parts of the track, but I'd like more top end. Switching to the short header should accomplish this, but will there be a noticeable decrease in torque down low? Should I be looking at other pipes?

Thanks.


putting the 41001 will give the engine more pop across the entire RPM range......I found it gave more snap down low, and a substantial increase in top end MPH.......it may not be as smooth as with the 41021, but withthe Plus 4 engines they can afford to have more kick as they are already quite smooth

t0p_sh0tta 06-03-2013 09:49 AM

Awesome, thanks.

Matthew Bailey 06-06-2013 04:11 AM

So I switched from a 41021 and 9901 to 41001 and 9886. The new combo gave me the same lap times but with 45 seconds more runtime on a BTTS. The motor seemed smoother, and definitely faster on the top end. Our track doesn't have a lot of room to really stretch out a motor, but it was definitely moving faster at the end of the straight.

monkeygrip 06-06-2013 05:15 AM

can you use 7x19x6 front bearings in place of the 7x19x6.3? what are the pros and cons of going with the smaller.

Eivind E 06-06-2013 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by monkeygrip (Post 12229245)
can you use 7x19x6 front bearings in place of the 7x19x6.3? what are the pros and cons of going with the smaller.

Yes, you can. Only the inner centre is 6.3 the outer ring is only 6.
So they're easier to install also, because if you use a pushing tool on the 6.3 it only pushed the centre and destroys the bearing.

So for me there's only pros. The cons would be that some people regard the 6.3mm 17011 as "the best bearing", so that's basicly it.

For me I'd rather have some regular 6's and replace them more frequently, they're cheaper too. (Nova bearing is one million bucks, while you can buy 4pcs 607 2RS of decent quality for $5)

Speedracer1600 06-06-2013 11:57 PM

Hey guys is there any particular trick to tunning with a 6mm insert? I am running an old 367 with a 9886/41021 and a 6mm carb, got 12 minutes out of the tank but I am having problems with high idle and 4 stroking.

scrapsz 06-07-2013 04:18 AM


Originally Posted by NZReilly (Post 12217724)
Hi there I have a bonito 7xl with ceramic rear bearing and have ordered the new keep off 7xl with ceramic rear bearing and was woundering what the difference is between the Two and what pipe people are using to have a smooth power band

The diff btwn the two is the main bearing and the crankcase (area around main bearing)...other than that the engines are the same. I don't have the KO 7xl but I do have a Bonito XLB and the smoothest combo I found was the 2084SS/41021.

scrapsz 06-07-2013 04:23 AM


Originally Posted by Speedracer1600 (Post 12232351)
Hey guys is there any particular trick to tunning with a 6mm insert? I am running an old 367 with a 9886/41021 and a 6mm carb, got 12 minutes out of the tank but I am having problems with high idle and 4 stroking.

No trick. The rule of thumb is the smaller the insert the more narrow a tuning window. When I've seen the symptom you mention its been too large an air gap with too rich LSN. Check the air gap (0.6mm) and re-tune the LSN especially if the 4 stroking is at idle.

afr0sch 06-07-2013 05:45 AM

Silicone filled crank
 
Hey Nova guys, here is a link to my ad for a 15009T Silicone filled crank - NEW!

Just thought I'd share. Nice upgrade or spare.

http://www.rctech.net/forum/r-c-item...ne-filled.html

Eivind E 06-07-2013 05:53 AM

Who can tell me how to decipher the codes etched into the Nova crankshafts?
Asking because I have a couple of cranks and do not think they were the right ones that belonged to those engines.

Matthew Bailey 06-07-2013 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 12215217)
Yes ! it gives the engine more snap, and more top end.........for anyone with a Plus4 or BTT looking for more power should look into the 41001 as well as the 9886........ The difference from a 2096/41021 to a 9886/41001 is like night and day, almost makes it a totally different engine....It is a shame how many people have never seen this engines true potential as they have never run anything but the pipes that neuter the performance.....

+1

and the 9886/41001 give more run time than the 9901/41021 combo.

yollie 06-07-2013 06:36 AM

what can i expect from torn carburetor boot???
thanks in advance

Hoese37 06-07-2013 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by yollie (Post 12232963)
what can i expect from torn carburetor boot???
thanks in advance

Expect it to lean bog. Fix it immediatly.

Maximo 06-07-2013 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by yollie (Post 12232963)
what can i expect from torn carburetor boot???
thanks in advance

it will run fine...but can ingest dirt thru the tear........ oh...if the slide is very worn the engine may also start to run very erratic....so definitely replace the boot sooner then later....

Eivind E 06-07-2013 07:29 AM

It will definately breathe through the boot. If you put the rubber cap on the intake of a carb, and the one on the fuel inlet, and you rotate the crank so the piston goes up and down, you will see the carb slide move in and out as the engine tries to inhale, so absolutely if you got a hole in the boot it will affect your tune negatively.

PERROTTO 06-07-2013 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by Eivind E (Post 12233123)
It will definately breathe through the boot. If you put the rubber cap on the intake of a carb, and the one on the fuel inlet, and you rotate the crank so the piston goes up and down, you will see the carb slide move in and out as the engine tries to inhale, so absolutely if you got a hole in the boot it will affect your tune negatively.

x100. even the tiniest pin hole will throw off the tune and lead to flameouts. This is one of the reasons my carbs get pressure tested under water regularly.

yollie 06-07-2013 08:54 AM

thanks for the very2 quick answer. i think that's why my 4btt can't run like she used to. i didn't notice it until i have a complete carb tear down, wich i rarely do.

t0p_sh0tta 06-07-2013 08:59 AM

What tools do you guys use for measuring idle gap? Piano wire?

aussies1129 06-07-2013 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by t0p_sh0tta (Post 12233418)
What tools do you guys use for measuring idle gap? Piano wire?

small cable tie just put some calipers on it to check
as for a torn carb boot my symptons were rich as more air more fuel? you can also put a small cable tie on your boot to stop any movement
cheers

lpmold 06-07-2013 06:59 PM

Which Nova to start with..
 
I'm ready to try a Novarossi. It will go in my MBX7 or 8ight 3.0 when it arrives.
I have run RB WS7, Ninja B01, old AXE Rossi Cobra. The RB was the best!
So..with budget of $450 for engine and pipe MAX.
P5XLT or Plus21-BTTA Tuned ??
Pipe looks like 2096/41021 ?

Pipes I have: JP-1, JP-4, RE-11

Suggestions please!

lpmold 06-07-2013 07:02 PM

Sounds like the 9886/41001 may be a better choice.

What engine to get?

jaron_cc 06-07-2013 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by lpmold (Post 12235130)
I'm ready to try a Novarossi. It will go in my MBX7 or 8ight 3.0 when it arrives.
I have run RB WS7, Ninja B01, old AXE Rossi Cobra. The RB was the best!
So..with budget of $450 for engine and pipe MAX.
P5XLT or Plus21-BTTA Tuned ??
Pipe looks like 2096/41021 ?

Pipes I have: JP-1, JP-4, RE-11

Suggestions please!

Nova 21-4 are the way to go

Hoese37 06-07-2013 07:52 PM

I really wanna give these a try. Nova based. http://www.neobuggy.net/2013/04/27/lucky-7-engines/

Chris Reilly 06-07-2013 07:55 PM

I would like to try a X3L or X5. Also Nova Based.

Brandonmorris44 06-07-2013 09:37 PM

I'm running a novarossi plus .21 5k on my d812 at the moment I'm using a jammin jp3 pipe But I found a new Max power 2078/2011 pipe for a good price . Would that be a better pipe ?

lpmold 06-07-2013 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by jaron_cc (Post 12235224)
Nova 21-4 are the way to go

is that the same as the 21-BTTA 4 port tuned in looking at?

lpmold 06-07-2013 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by Chris Reilly (Post 12235308)
I would like to try a X3L or X5. Also Nova Based.

i'll have a look, who makes them?

colby233 06-07-2013 11:21 PM


Originally Posted by lpmold (Post 12235579)
i'll have a look, who makes them?

Fusion X made by Novarossi.
X3L super smooth throughout power band.
X5R more bottom end grunt, still just as smooth as X3L.

revo61 06-08-2013 06:28 AM

Fusion X3L is a great engine

aussies1129 06-10-2013 01:18 AM


Originally Posted by lpmold (Post 12235139)
Sounds like the 9886/41001 may be a better choice.

What engine to get?

honestly you cant beat a P5xlt in a buggy awesome power easy to tune and for $200 thats crazy:nod:


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