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is there any difference between werks and orion plugs ?? :)

Not that i know of:

Afaik Sirio, Werks, Nvision and Team Orion buggy 5/6 plugs are identical (all manufactured by LM).

On i side note: I read Werks is working on a new super hot plug.

I'd bet money that every other LM engine company releases the same plug wen this releases.. Unless Ron is going outside of LM to have it made..

The Package they come in has a different picture printed on it..

It's possible. All that I know is that this is a project that im working on and is being done to our specifications. Each and every one of us have the ability to specify the exactly configuration/specifications of the products that are made for us. This is why I continuously say that people should not "assume" that our plugs are all the same. I tested several different plug configurations and decided which ones I wanted as our #5 & #6 plug and I'm guessing that Adrien did the same with the Orion plug line. So I'm not sure how people are jumping to the conclusion that all of our plugs are exactly the same when i dont even know if our plugs are the same as the Orion, Sirio or Nvision plugs lol!

I think that a lot of people are underestimating the amount of control that we all have over our product lines. The safest bet IMHO is to not assume that things are the same just use the brand/type of plug that the engine manufacturer that you are running specifies/reccomends. This way you know when talking about set up and tuning that you are comparing apples to apples and not oranges!

I hear what your saying, but logic and efficiency "dictates" that if LM is going to make a batch of #5 plugs they are not going to make 4 or 5 different ones for every brand they cater (Sirio, Orion, Werks, Nvision and Reds).
It is possible, but it would very much surprise me.

Logic and efficiency has nothing to do with this. Because of the rapid fluctuations that we are seeing in the global metal market which includes the spot price of platinum (which our plug elements are made out of), no manufacturer is going to pull in a crap load of the metal to make a huge production run of plugs just to sit on them hoping they will sell only to find out that 30 days later their cost might have been 10+% less because of changes in the spot price. Plugs are handled like engines, they are built to order and once an order is placed, platinum is purchased on the metal market and there is a 60 day lead time for delivery of finished goods. LM is a contract manufacturer, not a re-seller of product. They do not stock any of our products, they build them for all of us based on our orders. In any case though, assume what you would like. I've only been dealing with them for 8+ years but I guess it is also "theoretically" ;) possible that you have a better understanding of how things work with them than me :D In any case this is moving off of the thread topic, so lets kill this discussion. The only point that I'm trying to get across is do not automatically assume that things are the same between different brands.

Never did i say a huge production run...i said a batch :)
Also with fluctuating prices it would be stupid to buy on the spot when an order is made with the risk of having to pay an over average price. No, one would buy when prices are low and stock up a bit then ;-) That is just common sence and good/normal business tactics.
And yes...build on order but that means they have ground material / universal parts lying around.

Anyway...i have tested a Sirio #5 and an Orion #5 earlier and can't notice any difference, that's still no proof that they are all the same but just saying :tire:

I see what your saying, and I have first hand experience of what your talking about. I work in a machine shop here in the US, and we do not run and more product then what is needed to make the order..

And your right I should not assume they are the same, with out more information.. Good to hear new product might be coming out even if it is "just" a glow plug..

We all must be stupid then, because no one that I know has a crystal ball laying around that tells us when the platinum price is low so that we know when to order. And even if we did there is nothing like stocking up on a kilograms or two of platinum when the market is down at a mere $1300+ per ounce lol just in order to have it laying around "just in case" the prices rise.

LOL, when you trade in a certain commodity you tend to know what a good price is for that commodity...no cristal ball needed...(it's just common sence, knowing your market and a little bit of gamble...most our economy is based on it). Now common sence tells you that when you trade in a rare product with fluctuating prices you buy when price is low and not when prices are high. Normal rules of business...
Btw, again you have to exagurate...its not like they have it just "lying" around for ages...they have a couple of companies to supply with plugs...a throw away item that everybody constantly needs...demand is plenty :)

Anyway, it's getting severly off topic so ill leave it at that.
To argue on the inet is like...;)

sooo...how bout them Team Orion Alpha engines, ehe? :D World Champion engines with R&D by Adrien Bertin behind the scenes? Good stuff.. Go out and get yourself a discovery or King edition WC engine today, and win tomorrow... :smile:

On the plug issue, Adrien has done a nice job of producing quality plugs. I saw some quality issues last year and he cracked the whip and now produces the best plug on the market IMHO. We ran the Team Orion plug at the Worlds, and won with it, and I wouldn't put ANY other kind of plug in Cody's engine, period. Just sayin'... :D

I've seen a lot of people's stuff flaming out and having problems, but not ours *knocks on wood* .. since we been running Byron's and Team Orion plugs, we haven't missed a beat.. I mean seriously the engines haven't missed a stroke in like two years. Cody's track record can speak for itself on all the mains he's finished... only one blip on the radar screen was his wheel pin at NC in the truck main,, my fault :/

Hey pops, good to see ya back posting. I know them big race weeks / weekends keep you and Cody busy..

Thanks for getting the thread back on topic..

Hi, I'm waiting on delivery of my new orion 3 port with the ceramic bearings + the 2057 pipe and had a couple of questions. I've ran OS and RB in the past but never Orion and so have a bunch of OS\RB turbo\standard plugs. Hear what your saying pitpop re the Orion plugs but I'd like to know if there is anyway I might damage the engine (other than not tuning it right) by using OS or RB plugs? I have another engine (mega 21) that has a standard button and was told that if I used the OS standard plugs in this motor that I had to stick with these plugs as the thread was a little different to the RB standard plugs I have? I'm no expert so really don't know if this is correct or not.

Also, is it safe to use 30% with this engine? I downloaded the manual and it talks about running up to 25%. Had an RB 10 that I had to shim so I could run the 30% so thought maybe the Orion might be the same.

Thanks for your help.

Two new Cody King WC engines for $339 each. Just PM for details....

Have a great day.