Team Orion Engines
 

Hello guys. Just starting a thread to include all the Alpha ABI (Adrien Bertien Influenced) engines soon to be available from Team Orion. We were very happy at Nitro Challenge with the .24 five port in truggy, and the .21 three port in buggy. The .24 is a nice blend of power, driveability, and fuel mileage. Anyhow, we'll post in here about experiences with the engines. The 3 port we used at Nitro Challenge has been the club engine now, and I tell you, it just gets better every day we run it. These engines are going to have some serious durability, I can assure you. Just keep your air cleaner fresh, and they'll run a LONG time. Next stop Silver State with the same two engines.

Paul, are the internals the same as the Picco based Orion CRF.21?? Could you post some pictures of the internals????

i wouldn't think so Mario, it's a sirio based mill, but i could be wrong. I saw Dunbar running one, it looked great.

What style pipe have you tried on it?? low, med, high ?? I run the crf rite now, but am looking forward to this engine..

I have been running the .21 Alpha engine since the CRCRC event. It has great bottom and top along with incredible fuel mileage. Highly recommended.

When is the release date?

Hey Pitpop I'm currently running a Sirio Evo III, and was wanting to know if the power and reponse with the alpha .21 will be similar. I run a 2013 pipe and would probably do the same. Love the Sirio power and fuel mileage and that's just after running one race after break in and the new alpha looks good.

Hi guys.

The EVO III is a cousin to the Alpha, but different. The EVO III is a bit of a beast, especially for a buggy. Probably too much motor for a buggy, but just about right for a truggy. The Alpha 3 port is what I think is the perfect match for the new generation of buggys. Smooth power band, good mileage, and good top end.

We tried the OS 2050, and we thought is was good on the 3 port, but since we tested the 2013 again, we like the 2013 better.

The internals are very different than CRF. The break-in is very much like the Sirio. You need to be patient and really put some time on the engine.

pitpop do you know when the orion alapha engines will be realced and how much will they cost? let me know. thanks

Joe Pillars told me they should be available the middle of April. Not sure on pricing yet.

I'm not sure on price, but I know the aim is to be very competitive. The rumor is it will be the most affordable pro level engine with ceramic bearings, but we will see.

Can't wait to see them. I saw Cody running a "beater" Alpha and it was bad fast. :nod::nod::nod:

...we only have one he's been running, it's got some fuel through it :lol:

horizon has stock Alphas listed for $224 thats a sweet deal.... CRF US spec $469:eek:

but if the ABI Alpha's are are arround $300 that would be awesome

There is Only One REAL "Alpha" Engine :)
 

Hey guys. Just wanted to revive this thread. It's really the only Team Orion "Alpha" thread that is labeled as such, and covers the whole spectrum of engines, parts, pipes, and plugs available.

As most people already know, Horizon Hobby is distributing the products. The link to some of the engines is here:

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...rodID=ORI80647

Any and all topics about these engines can be covered here. The MTE (Truhe Edition), tuning, plugs, pipes, performance, fuel mileage... whatever. This is a Worlds year, so I think you will see some extra testing and lots of information coming from the team guys, including Truhe, Tebo, Cody, Ronnefalk, Pudge, Adrien and all the other team drivers. That's a lot of experience to get the engines in the winners circle. We feel that we have the package and support to win world class level races, and won't hesitate sharing that information.

Hope to see you here on the thread... :) - PK

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR
 

Merry Christmas Team Orion ALPHA thread! :)

I have got a couple of the CRF wasp US Spec engines. My question is what Orion product if any, is considered to be the replacement for the CRF wasp US spec? Does anyone have references for max HP on the different models? Is it true that the CRF wasp has been, or will eventually be replaced by the ABI line?

Thanks to all,

I'm not sure if the Alpha is going to replace the US Spec, but the focus right now is definitely on the Alpha ABI/MTE engines. I think the most comparable engine to the US Spec is the MTE engine because it's a 5 port. We prefer the 3 port, but a lot of people want the 5 port because it makes more power? Personally I prefer the added fuel mileage, we don't need more power. :p

Hi Paul, Could you clarify something for me, Cody's set up from the Fall classic says 5 port. Is this a misprint? What one is Tebo using 3 or 5 port? Also are you guys still using a 2013 pipe? How is the 3 port runtime?

Thanks in advance

Actually that is not a misprint. We have been testing 5 port stuff for awhile which is in the MTE engine. We definitely prefer the 3 port, they have been forcing us to run the 5 port stuff. :) I think Jared is running a 5 port, pretty sure. We do use a 2013 pipe. The run time on the 3 port is awesome. We have been able to get 12 minutes fairly easy. Any time you have an engine that goes 12+ minutes it's a combination of things to get that mileage, including tune and driver. (unless you choke out the engine with a .12 carb) :lol:

Thanks, I appreciate all of your help with info regarding Kyosho and Orion products!

not a problem man, glad to do it... :nod:

3 Port Options
 

Hey guys, after a couple inquires about these 3 port engines, I wanted to say that the standard Alpha 3 port is a great option at a screaming good price. I mean there is no way you will find an Italian made engine this good for 200 bucks! IMO the ABI version with the ceramic bearing and turbo button is a great deal as well, but you just can't go wrong either way. Here are some links to the two items:

Standard: http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...-Standard-Plug

ABI: http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...ine-Turbo-Plug

I think these engines are very good quality for sure. I had one of the first gen's in the summer of 08' and like it a lot! But I've heard these new ABI's are not getting the mileage.. I had heard that putting a grp carb will do the trick...and I think its true. A buddy of mine just got the ABI a few weeks ago and was only getting about 7 1/2-8 min.. He took his old carb off of his old ninja(not the jx) and bam.. 9-9 1/2 min. But I'm still looking into getting another one as soon as my Werks is done..

I believe that some people are running the GRP carb because the Orion has a tendency to stick if not set-up properly. Runtime depends on driver, track, tuning, etc.. My .21 gets 8:30-9:30 in buggy and the .24 gets 7:30-8:30 in truggy. Both running on 2013 pipes. Still haven't tried the .21 in the truck, but it should get 10min.

Personally I love my Orions, they are very well built and stubbornly reliable. I sold my Nova after running one for the first time.

Hey look, a thread for the REAL Alpha engines. :nod:

Saw these guys at the Nitrocross this weekend, they had some pretty cool stuff. ALOT of factory guys already running their stuff at this race. Found this link on the nitro pit website. Their website says coming soon.

:confused::confused::confused:

:lol:... well... now that you mention NITROCROSS... yes TEAM ORION ALPHA did kick major butt at the race, sweeping both Invite classes and 3rd and 4th also in the invite buggy class, so yea, you're right that top pros win with TEAM ORION ALPHA engines at the NitroPit :D

Nyk, it's true for sure that different carbs CAN get better mileage. If you wanted to do it, you could put a .12 carb on an engine and it would run for 15 minutes, but in that case it would probably suffer in the power department. That being said, the MTE engine has a new cast aluminum carb with improved reliability and mileage while still providing good power.

Pitpop, do you of any difference between the Werks 2013 pipe to the Orion 2013 pipe?? and you may have already said it but what pipe are you guys running?

Reason why I ask is that I'm running werks 2013 now.. and most likely I'll be getting another Orion when the time comes.

Pyro, for sure the are very reliable! I was very happy with mine first gen and my buddy so far is very happy with his abi.:nod:

I prolly shouldn't have strayed away from the Orion line....

Hi Nyk. The Werks 2013 and Orion 2013 are very much the same in the performance. The new Orion pipe I prefer because the construction is more durable. We always run the 2013 pipe. We have tried many others, but for these engines we always come back home to 2013. :)

cool thanks pitpop!

On our tracks we generally agree that 9 minutes is repectable, assuming you have the power to clear the triple jumps. I am currently running the .21 in a 1/8 TT using the smallest ventury and generaly make a pit between 9.5 and 10 minutes, however I admit that my son gets almost another minute... Newer motor or better hands... Anyways there is a craze over here about some new motor creating 2.8 hp!! I would appreciate details on the wasp us spec power range, as the www nor the papers in the box give exact details. Thanx

not sure on the power rating, and I know it sounds cliche, but I would not hang my hat on any of the rating stuff, they are rarely accurate, and largely hype... the US Spec is a stump puller, everyone knows about the unreal bottom end power, but if you are going to look at horse power ratings, there are some engines that just make a ton of power. I'm not talking about something written in the specs, but engines that just look ridiculous on the track. The Orion Alpha .24 is one of those engines, as is the .21 5 port like what Cody ran at RC X-fest. OS 28, NR .28, all these engines have proven to be too much power to expect to finish a race in a responsible manner. Even the top pros cannot make these huge power engines work properly for race conditions...

SO what am I saying here? sometimes less is more.... :lol:

Let me also add that the Orion Alpha engines are high quality Italian engines with very durable and high quality materials inside. They NEED to be broken in completely to make maximum power. You will not be able to take it out of the shrink wrap and run 4 tanks through it and get maximum rpms like a cheaper made engine.

Hi PIT POP, I apreciate your information. Just one more question, since you brought up the point... What is your recomendation for the ideal break in to get full power?

Assuming that my WASP US spec isn´t too powerfull for the MBX6 TT...:lol: LOL

I doubt that very much :lol: you can use a lot of power in a truggy, but it's still possible to have too much...

I have to be clear here because I don't want to mislead anyone, that the extended break in method applies more to the Alpha line, not so much with the US Spec. We never felt the need to take extended break in with the US Spec. It is made in a completely different plant and a totally different animal than the Alpha line.

As far as specific methods for breaking in the Alpha, just start the engine and get the tune close on the box, but keep it on the rich side. Just start running figure eights in a parking lot and do that for about 4 or 5 tanks. Make sure the idle is laying down and consistent. If it's not, you might have to seal something up or put a spring on the carb. We always seal up the carbs really well. After that just run it on the track making sure it's slightly on the rich side until you get several bottles of fuel through it. In between runs make sure the piston is at BDC and let it cool all the way down. You can race tune it and have fun, but just don't cook it. From that point you need to be patient and not expect too much RPMs until the piston loosens up. It takes at least a gallon, maybe two. After that, it will be nearly impervious to damage. Turn in the screws and let it eat. You could be lean bogging on the track and as long as you richen it up in a lap or two it will be ok.

The first paradigm most people need to abandon is "pinch is important"... it's not! You don't want any pinch binding your Alpha. Run it until the fit is loose, then you will be rewarded. As long as your tune is consistent & the idle is solid, you are in good shape. Cody's race engines for Worlds or Nats have minimum 2 gallons through them.

Thanks for the question, I like sharing the info on here.

LOL

LOL LOL:lol:

Great information! What is your preferred method to seal the carb?

I think I mislead a bit by adding TT. I compete in the .21 class with the buggy. Trucks are around, but only for bashing. Maybe next year there will be enough to get some races going. In the meantime any serious offroaders looking to race have to stay with the buggy's.

Best regards and have a great new year!

absolutely perfect pk!!!!