wish there were some bxr's in the states!!!!!!

Any new pipe experiences with the Fire 11?

:lol: O.K. Chris, you can take the knee pads off and wipe that stuff off
of your nose now.j/k:lol: I just thought I could some how rouse a responce
outta someone who knows more about what's going on with RB Concepts
U.S.A. than you. Some words of encouragement, hell any words at all,
closer to the source of the matter would be welcomed by alot of people.
Not just me.

Ignore guys. Back to RB PRoducts

Chris (Peralta), why are you so opposed to the 2087?

The BRX combo with the 2097(which I assume is the same as the 2087, just with the snap connection thing..) looked pretty freakin' wicked to me.. Nice power everywhere.. - seemed to really go well mid to top.. Dude really couldn't even open that engine up on this track - his truggy wanted to take off though..

Chris (Peralta), why are you so opposed to the 2087?

The BRX combo with the 2097(which I assume is the same as the 2087, just with the snap connection thing..) looked pretty freakin' wicked to me.. Nice power everywhere.. - seemed to really go well mid to top.. Dude really couldn't even open that engine up on this track - his truggy wanted to take off though..

A mate has a Fire 11 in his truggy. Loves the engine but does not like the carby, Idle screw position? from what he has read a cheaper carby is used on the engines to keep the price down??He was looking at putting an Orion carby on it to try. I have a Bonito that has passed its used by date and was wondering how it would go on the Fire 11.

The Orion carb you could use, if thats all you had, but the Bonito carb would be like the RB carb, but better, it"s a newer style, more so like the new RB carbs,

I am not against the 2087 pipe I just feel there are better options on the engines. I do race at a high altitude so there is not a lot of oxygen up here so I need my engines to breathe as much as possible. The 2087 and 2097 are different in more ways than the quick connect. In all honestly that 2087 will probably work great for you being that you run at a lower altitude than I do. I loaned a guy a backup engine a few weeks back and the only pipe I had was the 2087 for him to borrow and it ran fine for him all day and he said it was plenty of power too.

I am sure you will have plenty of power and run time with your 2087!!

So yes the F11 comes with the old style carb that has the idle screw on the other side of the carb. These are old stock of carbs and they are part of why the F11 can be had at a great price. These carbs work great in onroad but in offroad they put the idle screw up front by the flywheel. While I am not a fan of the idle screw being there I personally don't hate it because once you have a tune that idle screw should rarely if ever need to be adjusted.

Like Nitronut said, the Bonito carb would be best on it if he wants to swap out the carb because of the idle placement.

Just sold it!

Gonna' keep searching for a 2058, or maybe a 2013 if I find a cheap one. Am wondering how my 0801 would do on it.. Have two good engines right now, and not enough time for them as it is.. Will probably not get to breaking in the F11 til later in the summer..

I'm keeping my eye out for a cheap 2045 too..

RB just released the Blast version IV here btw.. Doesn't look all that spectacular, but it's way more expensive than the other ones.. Should've bought the V1 or V2...

Do the new "V3" RB plugs correspond to the C5TGC or C6TGC Novarossi plugs?

I do not know for sure yet as I don't have any of the newer plugs. When I talked to Reno about it he mentioned they help the engine idle better so it's very possible they are a hotter plug than the older style. If you look close at a C5TGC and a RB5 you will see the hole that all the coils are wound up in is a bigger hole on the TGC plug. Once the new stuff is avail here in the US I will get some and test them out.

Hey Herr!

The v3 is the version of the plug rather than heat range. They are available in no5, 6 and 7 which as always denotes the heat range.

As an aside, we have now had the Blast v5 limited edition engines in stock in the Uk which are pretty much a Ws7 bar the coated crank looking at the part numbers. Great value. As the Uk distrib for RB now il try and keep a closer eye on this thread from now.

Hey there.. I was just asking cuz 1.) they're black like the NR plugs, and 2.) with the Fire 11 for ex., RMV Germany was recommending running an OS P3 if you run Tornado fuel. I.e. you need a hotter plug. Then here all these guys were recommending the NR C5TGC for the F11.. And then RB comes out with a new plug range that looks like the NR plugs people say work so well with the RB's.. Etc..

The new RB Fire is available for sale here now btw.. Tempted, but yeah, haven't even gotten any fuel through my first one yet ha ha...

He was asking because a C5TGC is a hotter plug than an RB#5 plug due to the Nova being a hot body plug. I think he was hoping the V3's were similar to the TGC plugs. So he was asking if they will be similar in that way. Only visual way I know of is the hole where the plug coils are.

WOW ! There sure is a whole lot of posts about pipes and glowplugs.
Honestly, if you really want to know just what the differences are
in them and what is going to work for you. The first thing you have
to do is take the engine out of the box and actually fire it up and
run it youself. What works for some may not for others. I see some
mention about some people trying to run these engines on what
seems to be lower quality, bull sh-t, fuel. Why would anyoine take a
hi-quality engine and try to run it with cheaper low-grade fuel ?
Then come on hear admiting it and get into some big discussion
about what glowplugs and pipes will work with this rather unsavory
combo.
Sure, running hotter glowplugs gives an engine a wider tuning window
and makes it easier for the novice to find a tune and it may be what's
required for a engine to run properly on some kinds of bull sh-t fuel.
But hotter plugs have a weaker coil and burn up easier. All it takes is
one glowplug coil to drop into a cylinder to ruin a piston and sleeve.
So, running ultra hot glowplugs just to save a couple of bucks on the
fuel may cost you alot more money in the long run.
I'm not trying to say anyone is going about things the wrong way,
to each their own. But some times using your head for more than just
hat rack will help you out in the long run. ;)

There are a lot of reasons people try hotter plugs. Not just to make the tune easier. For me it comes down to altitude. When you race between 5,000 and 6,000 feet elevation in a climate that can be 55 degrees for morning qualifiers and 95 degrees for the mains, you have a WHOLE lot of work ahead of you for the day. Then factor in we can go from 10% humidity to 60-70% in a very short amount of time as a storm rolls in off the mountains you have to find what works "OK" (I say OK because you will never get it perfect here!!) for all possibilities and not what just happens to work best when conditions are perfect. If you have never tried racing this close to the mountains at high elevations with rapidly changing weather conditions you have no idea how difficult tuning one of these engines can actually be. Many people think just running more nito and leaner settings is all it takes. Those are people who have not personally experienced this!!!!

The pipes are an even bigger can of worms up here!! Oxygen is quite thin and if your trying to run a pipe that is too restrictive your going to struggle. When there is a lack of oxygen you need to do everything possible to enable your engine to breathe in and breathe out. Many people talk about running a 6.5 restrictor on engines. Try the 6.5 here and you will pull out your hair and claim someone sold you a bad engine!!!

Hello 50% nitro!

Been there done the 50% nitro thing. When the Nationals were here a few years ago most of the teams were shipping 50% here for the guys to use. Sure it helps make up for the loss in power you feel but it still does not make the tuning any easier when you factor in everything, and how fast weather can change here. All the 50% does is give you some of the power back your used to at sea level but it also is a lot rougher on your engine than a 30% blend of fuel is. In the long run I have gone back to 30% because my engines make plenty of power for me on the 30%, plus it's cheaper and the engines last longer. 5 gallons of 50% nitro thu an engine can take it's toll lemme tell ya.

Good read Chris, glad we don't have to deal with those issues here, in "HOT AS HELL" PHOENIX.

Chris, how does/should the new RB Fire compare to the Fire 11? It says 7+2 with MES exhaust.. And I guess the idle screw is more conveniently located?..

Got a guy making a nice offer for the kit with 2045.. Even though my two current engines are going great(including a modded Picco just barely broken in..) and I barely have enough time for them as it is.. Still.. Sucker for a deal.. :)

I find it interesting how RB Concepts is showing of their BX and CX engines, but they're not for sale! What's the point of showing off an engine if no one can purchase it? Are they going to sell it? That's what it looks like from their website. I'd like to purchase a BXR engine, but there's no website I can purchase it from! Not even Fusion X. Then again, Fusion X doesn't have any RB Engines on their website even though they're the American dealer for the engines. I think it's time RB finds a new American dealer.

I inquired about becoming a distributer and never heard anything back from them.....

I did see Absolutehobbyz has some available, or atleast did a week ago or so

The engines should be available at A-Main soon. Many people around the world already have them and have been running them. Here in the US we don't have them yet, Jim just took over RB USA and has to get everything setup and squared away. Finding a new US dealer will not make them all of a sudden available. If you have been running RB's for a number of years you will remember that we always end up getting the new engines last here in the USA. Maybe it has to do with how many people think the French feel about us Americans :lol:

Like posted above absolute hobbies seems to have the BX and the BXR in stock right now. so they are available.

I know I am excited to get my hands on a BXR!!!

Has anyone tried an 086 on the Fire 11? Looking at an RB 086 with the bent header..

I tried n 086 once on the Fire but it was when the engine was in a truggy and it did not have enough bottom end rip for me at my altitude.

I run a 9886/41021 when i need more bottom and an ofna 086 which has a short dbl bend manifold for more topend in truggy. But it's a clockwork modded engine that has had the sleeve dropped down to deal with the stockers excessive exhaust timing. It's one of my favorite engines. The stock engine suffers from a soft bottom end just like Chris eluded to.

Well, I already have a nearly new 053 that's just been sitting around for about two years.. Maybe I'll just try that, or an 0801..

The 053 will give you more bottom, but I think the top end will fall off, and it will just be all bottom. The 801 will probably be your best bet. How does the 2045 work with that engine?

Years back before the C6 was out, we all ran the WS7, and we used the 086 pipe, in buggy, very control able, with tons of top end.

WOW.. my fire 11 has too much bottom end :confused:

My F11 was too much bottom end for me in a buggy, it felt perfect to me in truggy!! Altho it just doesn't make the same awesome power my trusty old C6USA does so I stick to the USA for truck. I think a lot of guys run on really high bite tracks with a truggy and they need more bottom end.

Chris, how does the 2045 pipe work on the F11?

I think it works great and is what I ran on the Fire almost all the time. On some engines the 2045 almost tones down the power too much but with the Fire it felt perfect to me!!

What header were you using with that pipe? 192?

I ran the 192 header on it for both car and truck. Never did try a 198 as I never felt I needed any extra bottom end. I did also try one of the Tecnopower pipes on the F11 and that ran awesome as well!! Very similar to the 2045 and it had the same shape/length header as the RB (192)

Tecnopower pipe, I have one of those also, 2034? I think.

I got an Orion 2057, with a pipe adapter, to make it longer if needed, how does that pipe work? Is it much different than the 2058 pipe?

Thats the TP pipe I did try and liked!! I have never ran a 2057 but I think it's an older pipe design. I know the 2058 works well but not sure how the 2057 compares to it. I would say between the 2045 and TP pipe you would be good to go!!