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PekkaTH 08-23-2012 03:37 AM


Originally Posted by Flip it (Post 11126366)
What is different to these compaired to the RB#5 V3 glow plug (Hot) that Amain has listed?

RB Concept "Turbo" #5 Special V3 Glow Plug (1)
[RBD01052-5B]

Link from little-bro post above:
http://www.neobuggy.net/modules/news...ds=rb+glowplug

Flip it 08-23-2012 11:56 AM

I should have read he whole post rather than picking bits out of it.
Thanks Dave

twospot20 08-29-2012 03:45 PM

im looking at a BXR for my truggy. can i get any input in which pipe and manifold i should get for the BXR.... I am running a Fire 11 in my buggy with a 9901 nova pip and short header. its first gallon threw now.

Herrsavage 08-30-2012 04:44 AM

Not sure why people seem down on the 2087 pipe. In the vids I've seen it looks to make good power, with a nice high screaming sound.. Just saw this for ex:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGktq_hGgRU

Here too..:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WW7Zie2mX8

Sounds like a banshee..

Might finally break mine in this weekend if I can find a 15T clutch bell somewhere..(finally got a truggy roller for it..) Don't know what pipe though. Should have an 086 and 2058 arriving in mid-September.. For now I guess I'd try the 0801 or 053...

hambone 08-30-2012 07:18 AM

That's a racetrack????

Flip it 08-31-2012 02:42 AM

[QUOTE=Herrsavage;11153262]Not sure why people seem down on the 2087 pipe. In the vids I've seen it looks to make good power, with a nice high screaming sound..

Running a modded B11 with the 2087 in a truggy. Good power everywhere and the sound they make is addictive. Kept thinking the engine was lean by the way it sounded. Got my pit guy to stand at the end of the longest straight to make sure it had smoke. Got him to check temps just to make sure all was OK. Ended up leaning on it a couple more hours and can probably go a few more. Was thinking of trying a couple of different pipes when I first out the engine in but am more than happy with the 2087

Herrsavage 08-31-2012 03:25 AM

Hmm.. Sold mine..

Got a CB(and new Speed clutch on the engine ready to go), but don't really have the "right" plug or pipe yet.. If I break in this weekend, it'd have to be a Picco #5, or Orion or Werks #6(would prefer something hotter though..) plug and either an 053, 0801, 2047, JP-4, or 2063 pipe.. - none of which I'm too keen on trying(or taking off other engines..) The 053 is the only engine-less pipe I have laying around right now.., but nobody seems to think it'd make much of a match. I only ever had it on a Caster Grenade - and it was excellent actually.. It sucked on a Mach 427 and LRP Spec 3 though..

Btw the new Fires over here anyway now come with the 2045..

Flip it 08-31-2012 03:43 AM

A mate that I race with tried the 053 on a new Go 5 port and on a Ninja BA01 and loved it. Improved the GO run times by about a minute compaired to the GO2072. The 053 is a copy of the 9853 so there is no reason why it woud not be a reasonable pipe for the Fire. Only one way to find out.

Herrsavage 09-02-2012 01:21 AM

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...902_101125.jpg

xray808-11 09-02-2012 08:23 AM

hi

i have a novarossi 4btt.What difference can i expect from the B11?
I have one on the way in the post:) Is it more like a novarossi bonito?
And why is it that most people buy the bxr?What is the difference in performance between BXR and the B11?

im going to use it in a xray xb9.

aznitronut 09-02-2012 12:40 PM

Hey Chris, is the new RB pipe 2097 the same as the Nova 9901? it sure looks like its a copy .

Herrsavage 09-05-2012 06:12 AM

Well, I've got about four tanks through the F11 now.. Picco #5, Dynamite 053, Tornado %25, Associated clutch.. Can't really say much yet, except it takes forever for the tank to empty.. My preheater sucks(or at least the two stick packs for it do..), so I've been starting it at like 160F - better than nothing.. I've been -relatively- disciplined so far, and haven't gotten on it really. But it seems like it might just be an animal .. Half-throttle it seems to rev awfully high, with more in it.. Probably not as modulated or "linear" or whatever with the 053 for serious racers, but for people like me who just want a stupid powerful engine for goofing off(and maybe a truggy race here and there..), I think it could just be a good call.. One more boring tank through on the weekend I hope, then I'm gonna' start getting nasty... Well a little bit anyway.. ;)

Herrsavage 09-05-2012 11:46 AM

RB Blast V8:

http://www.rmv-deutschland.de/motore...d-edition.html


A guy on a German forum says this should basically be like a C6.. If that's so, I might get one over the winter - always heard great things about them. Would this V8 then be more powerful than a Fire? Could get both with 2045 for pretty much the same price.. Thanks.

hambone 09-06-2012 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by Herrsavage (Post 11176688)
RB Blast V8:

http://www.rmv-deutschland.de/motore...d-edition.html


A guy on a German forum says this should basically be like a C6.. If that's so, I might get one over the winter - always heard great things about them. Would this V8 then be more powerful than a Fire? Could get both with 2045 for pretty much the same price.. Thanks.

The Blast has a 13 mm crank, basically it's a WS7. Great engine for buggy. I looked at the specs, if my memory is correct it's a 7 port intake, 3 port exhaust, short stroke engine. They have gobs of topend but a little soft on bottom.

kgombe 09-06-2012 08:08 PM


Originally Posted by hambone (Post 11182418)
The Blast has a 13 mm crank, basically it's a WS7. Great engine for buggy. I looked at the specs, if my memory is correct it's a 7 port intake, 3 port exhaust, short stroke engine. They have gobs of topend but a little soft on bottom.

According to the link provided.. The blast v8 is a long stroke 14mm crank... So not a ws7 for sure

BrakeTurnAccelerate 09-06-2012 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by kgombe (Post 11182489)
According to the link provided.. The blast v8 is a long stroke 14mm crank... So not a ws7 for sure

Long Stroke, 5+2 port... If it's got MES, it's definitely based on the C6

hambone 09-06-2012 09:09 PM

Ok. Blast V2 is what i looked at. Didn't realize there was different versions of it.

Herrsavage 09-07-2012 12:59 AM

I can get this for a good price.. If it's really like a C6(is it?), how would it stack up against a Fire? Thanks.

hambone 09-07-2012 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by Herrsavage (Post 11183078)
I can get this for a good price.. If it's really like a C6(is it?), how would it stack up against a Fire? Thanks.

I have both, C6 USA and the Fire 11, but they are modified. C6 is a great racing engine with nice manners, F11 is an animal. Both are great engines.

Herrsavage 09-07-2012 08:03 AM

OK, if that's the case I'd probably get another Fire..* Just breaking my F11 in now - so far so good I would say.. But I'm not blown away - yet.. It revs high, but so far doesn't seem to have the torque or punchiness of the Argus, modded Nosram RS.21RR, or Nosram 30.. - at least with the 053 pipe.. Good, solid powerful engine though, with a nice high-pitched note when it winds out.. The Nosram 30 is burlier and more fun for thrashing around though I think.. The Fire seems like it would make a nice truggy race engine.. I want something mental though - I want to have to try to control it..

I saw a guy racing buggy with a Toro Nero once, and the bug was obviously overpowered.. But man it was fun to watch.. And it was an obvious challenge keeping the power under control... Same actually with a stock Nosram RS.21RR(think Jammin JPX 21) in a stock RC8T - have watched sponsored guys have to detune them because they were just all over the place.. Made you laugh out loud though to see (and hear!) the power...

* And maybe get it modded. But to be honest, from what I have seen so far out of my modded Nosram, I am not that impressed. Break-in was easy, and the power is OK, but from what I have seen so far, stock was better(had a stock one before - same pipe, etc..) Might still need more fuel through it though, and maybe to be leaned out a tad.. It definitely does not have the insane high-pitch scream of the stock engine with the 2063 pipe..

hambone 09-07-2012 09:53 AM

The Fire 11 lacks bottom end stock. C6 has better bottom. Much depends on who modifies it. Neal drops the sleeve in the F11 making much more bottom. I run different pipes for short or long tracks. My new C6 p/s/r is at CRE now. It's a very nice racing engine. Gets better mileage than F11. If i had to race one stock, it would be the C6. The C6 really benefits from a little more crank timing.

Herrsavage 09-07-2012 10:59 AM

Thanks for the input. Funny though.. I thought the F11 was supposed to be more of a truggy engine. Back when I bought mine it was a deal with an Associated RC8.2, and one of the shops I was trying to get it from straight out told me it wasn't really appropriate for a buggy.. But if it lacks bottom end, and has a great top-end, well, that seems good for buggy to me.. It DOES have a very nice top-end too though..

But I don't know. I'd probably rather have a modded or even stock Alpha .23 than get either the Fire or Blast V8 and then get it modded..

Here's my Fire with 053 in an SC8 from earlier today..:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WRg6cWpDEY

The tune is not %100 (open to suggestions..), but temp, smoke, and sound were more or less in the ballpark.. It's loading up a bit at idle, so I guess the LSN is still a bit fat.. Anyway, I think the 053 is a good match.. And now that I watch it, when you figure it has +1 on the CB, maybe the bottom really isn't all that weak.. I like it so far, but I wouldn't say it's night and day better than my Argus for ex..

I think what I want is an engine with the punch of the Argus, and the screaming top end of the Fire 11 ha ha...

hambone 09-07-2012 12:48 PM

That's what i have, the best of both. CRE Fire 11 with a Reds 2083 pipe. It's my baddest .21, and i have 6 different kick ass .21's. Only my CRE OS .25 is stronger. I call it my OS 250, lol. It's like running a 250 with the 125's.

Herrsavage 09-07-2012 11:07 PM

Even cheaper:

http://www.hk-modellbau.de/default.a...373163&mshop=2

(one of the better German shops..)

Herrsavage 09-10-2012 06:11 AM

Well I sent a mail to RMV Germany asking which is more powerful, and the guy said there is basically no difference. He also said they are out of Fires, interestingly.. So, with the Blast V8 combo being €180, I'm going to think about getting one.. I just hope they're around for a while.. All the Blasts seem to get bought up pretty quickly.. I'm keen on an Alpha .23 though too..

Ran the Fire a bit again yesterday, but had to stop. The tires were coming off the rims...

bigjayjay1 09-10-2012 08:22 AM

How much is the blast for some reason I can't pull site up

Chris Reilly 09-10-2012 08:26 AM

180.00 Euro

Herrsavage 09-10-2012 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by Chris Reilly (Post 11193818)
180.00 Euro

With pipe.. (albeit the non-fancy/uncoated or whatever version of the 2045)


RB needs to do a 25..

rustyfingers 09-11-2012 09:01 AM

What are you guys thoughts on the RB RTR 21:
http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...ipe-Turbo-Plug

Looks like a sweet deal for a motor/pipe for a club guy like me unless it's a POJ then it's not such a sweet deal : ). Thing is, I have a new R5/Pipe NIB but still need to work on my motor breakin/tuning skill before I tear up an R5. Would much rather tear up a 160 dollar motor instead.

Thanks,
DENnis

Herrsavage 09-11-2012 09:15 AM

For that price with a matched price, yeah, should be great to learn on..

There was a guy in the onroad GT forum who converted his RB buggy to GT, and he made some videos with it - including that engine.. I think it should go pretty well..

A Werks B2 would be much better, but without pipe for the same price..

jk1152 09-11-2012 07:39 PM

Well broke in the BX w/ 2097 pipe at about 1/2 gallon. Going to race it this weekend and see how it does.

Out in front of my house on the street so far compared to a B9 with a 2045 that has 5 gallons on it the BX seems a tad tamer on the bottom end but really screams at the top.

I run a serpent s811 4 shoe steel clutch with 7075 aluminium shoes. On the B9 I would run 2 with soft and 2 with medium springs. For extreme bottom end I would run all 4 mediums. So far with the BX combo I'm running 2 medium and 2 hards for the snap I'm looking for. Both engines running a 7mm venturi.

bigjayjay1 09-11-2012 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by Chris Reilly (Post 11193818)
180.00 Euro

So 240 us dollars not bad but shipping would be killer I bet

Herrsavage 09-14-2012 12:55 PM

Finally got's me some new pipes...

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...914_212213.jpg

But honestly, I think I like the 053 on the Fire just fine... Would the 2058 really make that big a difference?

(On a side-note, for a 100 bucks, Werks could surely afford some better packaging ha ha....)

Maximo 09-14-2012 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by Herrsavage (Post 11210903)
Finally got's me some new pipes...

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...914_212213.jpg

But honestly, I think I like the 053 on the Fire just fine... Would the 2058 really make that big a difference?

(On a side-note, for a 100 bucks, Werks could surely afford some better packaging ha ha....)

2058 breathes much better then the 053 will.............you should notice a substantial increase in RPM and power.....

Dr. Evil 09-14-2012 02:17 PM

RB Concepts World S7
 
Good afternoon. I was wondering if anyone out there knows where I can purchase either an old RB Cconcepts World S7 or know where I can purchase a new piston/sleeve for one. I have one and some how, the bottom skirt has broken off. The broken part of the piston scrapes the sleeve and I know if I run it like this, it will eventually nick the chrome.

IF anyone knows, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks

jk1152 09-15-2012 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by jk1152 (Post 11200519)
Well broke in the BX w/ 2097 pipe at about 1/2 gallon. Going to race it this weekend and see how it does.

Out in front of my house on the street so far compared to a B9 with a 2045 that has 5 gallons on it the BX seems a tad tamer on the bottom end but really screams at the top.

I run a serpent s811 4 shoe steel clutch with 7075 aluminium shoes. On the B9 I would run 2 with soft and 2 with medium springs. For extreme bottom end I would run all 4 mediums. So far with the BX combo I'm running 2 medium and 2 hards for the snap I'm looking for. Both engines running a 7mm venturi.

At the track today the bottom end was really to strong with the above settings so I put on I put the same springs on 2 soft / 2 mediums as when I ran the B9 and the bottom end feels the similar but there is more top end.

We'll see how it lasts. So far I'm happy.

aznitronut 09-15-2012 10:19 PM

If you run the 2045 pipe on that motor, you will have more bottom.

Chris Peralta 09-18-2012 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by Dr. Evil (Post 11211134)
Good afternoon. I was wondering if anyone out there knows where I can purchase either an old RB Cconcepts World S7 or know where I can purchase a new piston/sleeve for one. I have one and some how, the bottom skirt has broken off. The broken part of the piston scrapes the sleeve and I know if I run it like this, it will eventually nick the chrome.

IF anyone knows, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks

These have been discontinued for a few years and your best best is going to be finding one from Ebay or from a store that has old stock sitting around.

If you can find an S7 or WS7, WS7II, WS7III, or WS9 piston and sleeve set you can use any of them in that engine as well.

Herrsavage 09-18-2012 11:05 AM

Chris, thoughts on the Blast V8?...

http://www.rmv-lounge.de/2012/09/05/...tor-verfugbar/

aznitronut 09-18-2012 01:27 PM

Is the Blast a left over WS7?


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