Serpent 710
06-07-2004, 07:33 PM
Re: Re: Removing oil from tyres
Originally posted by Sow&Steady
Return the favour ... leave thumb tacks for their next run! See how the big boys handle a flat tyre or two
Return the favour ... leave thumb tacks for their next run! See how the big boys handle a flat tyre or two
It seems Mark is also on the RING bandwagon. 
06-07-2004, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by PSI Racing
Must be my slow servos again.
Must be my slow servos again.
Thanks mate. Well, I wouldn't mind slow servos for a belated b-day present.
(j/k)
06-07-2004, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by Jpilone
As everyone knows, we got rained out for the A mains. So here's the results.
2004 Region 4 Championship @ FT Speedway 06-05-2004
Top Qualifier for 1/10 Nitro Sedan:
Paolo Morganti with 17/5:03.88
-- 1/10 Nitro Sedan - I MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
1 2 28 10:07.54 Marcos Jennings
2 1 25 10:03.45 Henry Nale
3 4 20 8:02.80 Jimmie Cooper
4 3 20 10:06.53 Melanie Esser
-- 5 --- DNS --- Sean Lovelace
-- 1/10 Nitro Sedan - H MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
1 5 29 10:05.60 Joel Bandera
2 1 27 10:21.48 Jose Torres
3 4 22 10:01.20 Curt Gregory
4 6 19 10:22.51 Ron Ware
5 3 18 6:18.88 Evan Griffin
6 2 18 10:12.63 Juan Villalba
-- 7 --- DNS --- Marcos Jennings
-- 1/10 Nitro Sedan - G MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
1 4 28 10:19.16 Dave Yarrington
2 0 27 9:31.30 Joel Bandera
3 3 27 10:01.91 Ralph Monteleone
4 8 27 10:05.56 Joe Matyuf
5 5 27 10:08.32 Edgar Leon
6 6 27 10:34.80 Preston Nale
7 9 26 10:22.07 Steve Laymon
8 7 20 9:48.40 Javier Torres
9 2 11 4:06.63 Rudy Santiago
-- 1 --- DNS --- Don Miller
-- 1/10 Nitro Sedan - F MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
1 3 30 10:16.62 Rudolf Nicholson
2 8 26 10:14.44 Chuck Carter
3 2 26 10:19.35 Anthony Drossos
4 9 25 10:13.09 Jorge Ruiz
5 1 21 9:23.13 Vinicio Yukiyu
6 5 19 6:59.24 Gary Tuttle
7 0 16 6:18.25 Dave Yarrington
8 4 8 2:44.21 Ruel Ellis
-- 7 --- DNS --- Ivan Vazquez
-- 6 --- DNS --- Tino Hall
--
-- 1/10 Nitro Sedan - E MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
1 5 30 10:08.69 Omar Mcfarlane
2 7 29 10:03.51 Yukiyu
3 8 28 10:07.99 Michael Clarke
4 0 26 10:09.47 Rudolf Nicholson
5 2 26 10:17.17 Andy Baez
6 3 25 10:07.04 Josh Villenevve
7 9 24 8:12.99 Rene Javois
8 6 10 3:19.86 Guillermo Camacho
9 1 8 6:36.65 Allen Bell
10 4 3 1:05.07 Eddie Santiago
-- 1/10 Nitro Sedan - D MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
1 5 31 10:07.31 D.J. Apolaro
2 9 31 10:15.66 Philip Abed
3 7 30 10:04.43 Ed Dacany
4 0 30 10:23.38 Omar Mcfarlane
5 6 29 9:43.19 Demeterius Blount
6 4 28 10:15.32 Charles Bone
7 3 22 8:12.65 Ken Davis
8 2 7 2:14.16 John Wong
9 8 2 5:31.57 Jabir Kesler
-- 1 --- DNS --- Anthony Andrews
-- 1/10 Nitro Sedan - C MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
1 3 47 15:04.51 Chris Bertorello
2 1 45 15:07.83 Roniel Regaldo
3 4 45 15:12.50 Joaquin Desoto
4 7 43 15:07.25 Geovanni Gonzales
5 2 42 15:05.05 Ben Griffin
6 6 39 13:57.93 Ken Campbell
7 9 37 13:04.94 Jose Colon
8 0 37 14:42.93 D.J. Apolaro
9 8 35 15:02.32 Kevin Hutchinson
10 5 26 11:19.23 Robert Maestrey
-- 1/10 Nitro Sedan - B MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
1 2 64 20:02.35 Maxey
2 4 62 20:11.99 Ron Aragunde
3 6 61 20:03.67 Bart Collins
4 3 61 20:08.86 Francis Lee
5 7 60 20:02.04 Nick Dotson
6 9 59 20:04.76 George Velazco
7 0 58 19:36.70 Chris Bertorello
8 8 28 10:26.26 Rafael Angulo
-- 5 --- DNS --- Randy Colvin
-- 1 --- DNS --- Lance Diedrick
-- 1/10 Nitro Sedan - A MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
-- 1 --- DNS --- Paolo Morganti
-- 2 --- DNS --- Paul Wynn
-- 3 --- DNS --- Robbie Collins
-- 4 --- DNS --- Uriah Murnan
-- 5 --- DNS --- Andre Saunders
-- 6 --- DNS --- Ryan Rhodes
-- 7 --- DNS --- Renato Tradardi
-- 8 --- DNS --- Felix Law
-- 9 --- DNS --- Troy Schafer
-- 0 --- DNS --- Maxy Velazco
Top Qualifier for 1/10 Outlaw:
Collin Ashley with 17/5:03.07
-- 1/10 Outlaw - A MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
-- 1 --- DNS --- Collin Ashley
-- 2 --- DNS --- Rick Bedasse
-- 3 --- DNS --- Carl Stiles
-- 4 --- DNS --- Nick Grabas
Top Qualifier for 1/8 Scale:
Scotty Gray with 19/5:05.42
-- 1/8 Scale - C MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
1 2 49 15:11.91 Gary Wiggins
2 1 49 15:17.26 Chuck Mattera
3 7 45 15:11.24 Michael Brady
4 4 40 13:34.01 Ross Leardon
5 6 40 14:14.41 Michael Hibbert
6 5 33 10:52.52 Erik Carpenter
7 3 9 2:43.90 Gary Crumb
8 8 1 3:04.41 Bryan Esser
-- 9 --- DNS --- Maxey
-- 1/8 Scale - B MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
1 2 69 20:00.47 Lucas
2 1 69 20:08.97 Collin Ashley
3 4 67 20:03.84 Freddy Villalona
4 3 67 20:05.06 Daniel Crumb
5 0 67 20:16.38 Gary Wiggins
6 7 64 19:08.69 Douglas Day
7 6 60 20:09.75 John Joannidis
8 5 48 14:01.97 Tommie Lee
9 8 25 8:56.36 Greg Esser
10 9 14 4:26.30 Chris Fowler
-- 1/8 Scale - A MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
-- 1 --- DNS --- Scotty Gray
-- 2 --- DNS --- Terry Bryant
-- 3 --- DNS --- Dave Diehl
-- 4 --- DNS --- Vince Tate
-- 5 --- DNS --- Joaquin M. Desoto
-- 6 --- DNS --- Joaquin Desoto
-- 7 --- DNS --- Chuck Moon
-- 8 --- DNS --- Mark Harrison
-- 9 --- DNS --- Brett Parker
-- 0 --- DNS --- Lucas
As everyone knows, we got rained out for the A mains. So here's the results.
2004 Region 4 Championship @ FT Speedway 06-05-2004
Top Qualifier for 1/10 Nitro Sedan:
Paolo Morganti with 17/5:03.88
-- 1/10 Nitro Sedan - I MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
1 2 28 10:07.54 Marcos Jennings
2 1 25 10:03.45 Henry Nale
3 4 20 8:02.80 Jimmie Cooper
4 3 20 10:06.53 Melanie Esser
-- 5 --- DNS --- Sean Lovelace
-- 1/10 Nitro Sedan - H MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
1 5 29 10:05.60 Joel Bandera
2 1 27 10:21.48 Jose Torres
3 4 22 10:01.20 Curt Gregory
4 6 19 10:22.51 Ron Ware
5 3 18 6:18.88 Evan Griffin
6 2 18 10:12.63 Juan Villalba
-- 7 --- DNS --- Marcos Jennings
-- 1/10 Nitro Sedan - G MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
1 4 28 10:19.16 Dave Yarrington
2 0 27 9:31.30 Joel Bandera
3 3 27 10:01.91 Ralph Monteleone
4 8 27 10:05.56 Joe Matyuf
5 5 27 10:08.32 Edgar Leon
6 6 27 10:34.80 Preston Nale
7 9 26 10:22.07 Steve Laymon
8 7 20 9:48.40 Javier Torres
9 2 11 4:06.63 Rudy Santiago
-- 1 --- DNS --- Don Miller
-- 1/10 Nitro Sedan - F MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
1 3 30 10:16.62 Rudolf Nicholson
2 8 26 10:14.44 Chuck Carter
3 2 26 10:19.35 Anthony Drossos
4 9 25 10:13.09 Jorge Ruiz
5 1 21 9:23.13 Vinicio Yukiyu
6 5 19 6:59.24 Gary Tuttle
7 0 16 6:18.25 Dave Yarrington
8 4 8 2:44.21 Ruel Ellis
-- 7 --- DNS --- Ivan Vazquez
-- 6 --- DNS --- Tino Hall
--
-- 1/10 Nitro Sedan - E MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
1 5 30 10:08.69 Omar Mcfarlane
2 7 29 10:03.51 Yukiyu
3 8 28 10:07.99 Michael Clarke
4 0 26 10:09.47 Rudolf Nicholson
5 2 26 10:17.17 Andy Baez
6 3 25 10:07.04 Josh Villenevve
7 9 24 8:12.99 Rene Javois
8 6 10 3:19.86 Guillermo Camacho
9 1 8 6:36.65 Allen Bell
10 4 3 1:05.07 Eddie Santiago
-- 1/10 Nitro Sedan - D MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
1 5 31 10:07.31 D.J. Apolaro
2 9 31 10:15.66 Philip Abed
3 7 30 10:04.43 Ed Dacany
4 0 30 10:23.38 Omar Mcfarlane
5 6 29 9:43.19 Demeterius Blount
6 4 28 10:15.32 Charles Bone
7 3 22 8:12.65 Ken Davis
8 2 7 2:14.16 John Wong
9 8 2 5:31.57 Jabir Kesler
-- 1 --- DNS --- Anthony Andrews
-- 1/10 Nitro Sedan - C MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
1 3 47 15:04.51 Chris Bertorello
2 1 45 15:07.83 Roniel Regaldo
3 4 45 15:12.50 Joaquin Desoto
4 7 43 15:07.25 Geovanni Gonzales
5 2 42 15:05.05 Ben Griffin
6 6 39 13:57.93 Ken Campbell
7 9 37 13:04.94 Jose Colon
8 0 37 14:42.93 D.J. Apolaro
9 8 35 15:02.32 Kevin Hutchinson
10 5 26 11:19.23 Robert Maestrey
-- 1/10 Nitro Sedan - B MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
1 2 64 20:02.35 Maxey
2 4 62 20:11.99 Ron Aragunde
3 6 61 20:03.67 Bart Collins
4 3 61 20:08.86 Francis Lee
5 7 60 20:02.04 Nick Dotson
6 9 59 20:04.76 George Velazco
7 0 58 19:36.70 Chris Bertorello
8 8 28 10:26.26 Rafael Angulo
-- 5 --- DNS --- Randy Colvin
-- 1 --- DNS --- Lance Diedrick
-- 1/10 Nitro Sedan - A MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
-- 1 --- DNS --- Paolo Morganti
-- 2 --- DNS --- Paul Wynn
-- 3 --- DNS --- Robbie Collins
-- 4 --- DNS --- Uriah Murnan
-- 5 --- DNS --- Andre Saunders
-- 6 --- DNS --- Ryan Rhodes
-- 7 --- DNS --- Renato Tradardi
-- 8 --- DNS --- Felix Law
-- 9 --- DNS --- Troy Schafer
-- 0 --- DNS --- Maxy Velazco
Top Qualifier for 1/10 Outlaw:
Collin Ashley with 17/5:03.07
-- 1/10 Outlaw - A MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
-- 1 --- DNS --- Collin Ashley
-- 2 --- DNS --- Rick Bedasse
-- 3 --- DNS --- Carl Stiles
-- 4 --- DNS --- Nick Grabas
Top Qualifier for 1/8 Scale:
Scotty Gray with 19/5:05.42
-- 1/8 Scale - C MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
1 2 49 15:11.91 Gary Wiggins
2 1 49 15:17.26 Chuck Mattera
3 7 45 15:11.24 Michael Brady
4 4 40 13:34.01 Ross Leardon
5 6 40 14:14.41 Michael Hibbert
6 5 33 10:52.52 Erik Carpenter
7 3 9 2:43.90 Gary Crumb
8 8 1 3:04.41 Bryan Esser
-- 9 --- DNS --- Maxey
-- 1/8 Scale - B MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
1 2 69 20:00.47 Lucas
2 1 69 20:08.97 Collin Ashley
3 4 67 20:03.84 Freddy Villalona
4 3 67 20:05.06 Daniel Crumb
5 0 67 20:16.38 Gary Wiggins
6 7 64 19:08.69 Douglas Day
7 6 60 20:09.75 John Joannidis
8 5 48 14:01.97 Tommie Lee
9 8 25 8:56.36 Greg Esser
10 9 14 4:26.30 Chris Fowler
-- 1/8 Scale - A MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
-- 1 --- DNS --- Scotty Gray
-- 2 --- DNS --- Terry Bryant
-- 3 --- DNS --- Dave Diehl
-- 4 --- DNS --- Vince Tate
-- 5 --- DNS --- Joaquin M. Desoto
-- 6 --- DNS --- Joaquin Desoto
-- 7 --- DNS --- Chuck Moon
-- 8 --- DNS --- Mark Harrison
-- 9 --- DNS --- Brett Parker
-- 0 --- DNS --- Lucas
06-07-2004, 07:44 PM
Re: Re: Some testings...
Originally posted by Sow&Steady
Thanks for the report on your test. I was in two minds as to which mod to try with this rebuild ... I'll this stock one first now.
Thanks for the report on your test. I was in two minds as to which mod to try with this rebuild ... I'll this stock one first now.
06-07-2004, 07:46 PM
Re: Novarossi NSR12S3 or NS12S3
Originally posted by PMR
My LHS has a novarossi NSR12S3 and the NS12S3, I know that the NSR's are microcasted and the NS's are cnc machined but what I don't know is which of the the two is better in performance in terms of torque and RPM. Your recommendation will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
My LHS has a novarossi NSR12S3 and the NS12S3, I know that the NSR's are microcasted and the NS's are cnc machined but what I don't know is which of the the two is better in performance in terms of torque and RPM. Your recommendation will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
But the most apparent advantage of the NSR piston is the microcasted piston. Due to higher silicon content, they can take more heat before crapping out. More heat (to a certain limit) means more power.
So if I were you, I'll get the NSR.
06-07-2004, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by nitro rookie
Why does the 710 have longer shocks in the rear, and will my JR XS3 reciever fit in the receiver box.
Why does the 710 have longer shocks in the rear, and will my JR XS3 reciever fit in the receiver box.
God knows... I guess it has always been the tradition that Serpent rear shocks are longer than the front. All Serpent shocks are compatible with each other. The 1/8th scale Serpent cars use the same springs (except for Veteq) and shocks as the 1/10 scale TCs.As for the JR receiver, I hope somebody can help you there. I remember someone mentioned it can fit while the other said that you couldn't. I guess depending on the type of receiver that you have.
06-07-2004, 07:48 PM
Re: Another tuning question for Master D
Originally posted by markp27
If I then press the throttle quick the engine will stall - I have to blip it a few times until the engine cleans itself out, then I can pull away.
If I then press the throttle quick the engine will stall - I have to blip it a few times until the engine cleans itself out, then I can pull away.
Originally posted by markp27
But when I lift off the engine revs remain high for a couple of seconds - a sign of being to lean, I though?
Also when I come back into the pits after a hard run, the engine temp doesn't drop much below 88C at idle, but if I do the pinch method, then the engine slowly increases in speed and eventually dies after about 5-6 seconds - but this is a sign of being too rich 
But when I lift off the engine revs remain high for a couple of seconds - a sign of being to lean, I though?
Also when I come back into the pits after a hard run, the engine temp doesn't drop much below 88C at idle, but if I do the pinch method, then the engine slowly increases in speed and eventually dies after about 5-6 seconds - but this is a sign of being too rich
Assuming that you have not tuned the HSN, you will need to richen the LSN needle slightly when you lean the HSN because the HSN controls the main fuel delivery to LSN as well.
06-07-2004, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by stormperson
and I am holding the end of the threads with the wire cutting portion of needle nose pliers.
and I am holding the end of the threads with the wire cutting portion of needle nose pliers.
Sorry to make it sound like that but I was quite sure that you held the shock shaft the way you did... With the sharp wire cutter portion on the end of the needle thread.Do away with that method. I've tried that and it simple makes a notch at the end of the thread and gives reason for the shaft to be weak at that spot.
Like what modellor (oophs Palmaris Europe
) does, I use a paper towel and grip the shock shaft with normal pliers. Works for me. And you will not break shock shafts.
06-07-2004, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by stormperson
What exactly is this shock mod you are talking about? Thanks!
What exactly is this shock mod you are talking about? Thanks!
06-07-2004, 09:13 PM
Tech Fanatic
Re: Re: Novarossi NSR12S3 or NS12S3
Originally posted by InitialD
Goldfinger mentioned somewhere that the NSR pistons have one groove instead of the normal two on the NS. This itself makes for the engine able to rev higher due to lower friction. At least this is on paper.
Goldfinger mentioned somewhere that the NSR pistons have one groove instead of the normal two on the NS. This itself makes for the engine able to rev higher due to lower friction. At least this is on paper.
It was the MAX P series that have same piston with the NSR.
The 1 pit/groove piston is belongs to MAX "S" series.
Dunno about the newer NSR, I believe someone said that it was ported from novarossi already.
Originally posted by InitialD
But the most apparent advantage of the NSR piston is the microcasted piston. Due to higher silicon content, they can take more heat before crapping out. More heat (to a certain limit) means more power.
So if I were you, I'll get the NSR.
But the most apparent advantage of the NSR piston is the microcasted piston. Due to higher silicon content, they can take more heat before crapping out. More heat (to a certain limit) means more power.
So if I were you, I'll get the NSR.
06-07-2004, 09:25 PM
Re: Re: Re: Novarossi NSR12S3 or NS12S3
Originally posted by GoldFinger
It was the MAX P series that have same piston with the NSR.
The 1 pit/groove piston is belongs to MAX "S" series.
It was the MAX P series that have same piston with the NSR.
The 1 pit/groove piston is belongs to MAX "S" series.
Originally posted by GoldFinger
Dunno about the newer NSR, I believe someone said that it was ported from novarossi already.
Dunno about the newer NSR, I believe someone said that it was ported from novarossi already.
Originally posted by GoldFinger
Absolutely, No doubt !!
Absolutely, No doubt !!
Do you know if the RRL12 would also undergo running changes like their NSR brothers with regards to the IDM sleeve porting?
06-07-2004, 10:11 PM
Tech Fanatic
Re: Re: Re: Re: Novarossi NSR12S3 or NS12S3
Originally posted by InitialD
Yup. Or the RRL12...
Yup. Or the RRL12...
Originally posted by InitialD
Do you know if the RRL12 would also undergo running changes like their NSR brothers with regards to the IDM sleeve porting?
Do you know if the RRL12 would also undergo running changes like their NSR brothers with regards to the IDM sleeve porting?
With their current decision to porting the newer NSR, they shut the MAX door already.
So, when they sharpen their both side of samurai, it could stab them back instantly.
Classic marketing startegy lah...
Funny yah... the European leading company learning from Japanese Car company... (you know.Corolla/Corona, Civic/Accord)
06-07-2004, 10:56 PM
Re: Re: Another tuning question for Master D
Originally posted by InitialD
What I'll do when the engine revs high coming in for a couple of seconds, I'll lower the engine idle. The engine may want to die off. That's when I'll lean the low end to get the engine to idle properly. Give it a few revs. The idle should be purring and constant. Do a pinch test again and see.
What I'll do when the engine revs high coming in for a couple of seconds, I'll lower the engine idle. The engine may want to die off. That's when I'll lean the low end to get the engine to idle properly. Give it a few revs. The idle should be purring and constant. Do a pinch test again and see.
Cheers, Mark-
06-07-2004, 11:02 PM
how many times did you guys cut your fingers while assembling your shocks
06-07-2004, 11:04 PM
Tech Fanatic
Re: Re: Re: Another tuning question for Master D
Originally posted by markp27
The pinch test does confirm what you say, but the only thing which I was concerned about again, is that the gap on the throttle barrel in the carb is again less than 1mm - are you guys certain that your gaps are 1mm? I measured mine and its about 0.7mm. Leaning the LSN and the adjusting the idle screw will lower this again.
Cheers, Mark-
The pinch test does confirm what you say, but the only thing which I was concerned about again, is that the gap on the throttle barrel in the carb is again less than 1mm - are you guys certain that your gaps are 1mm? I measured mine and its about 0.7mm. Leaning the LSN and the adjusting the idle screw will lower this again.
Cheers, Mark-
There is no competition for the "longest and/or best idle"