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TomB 03-11-2012 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by Bishop (Post 10451504)
No, the outdrive shafts were tight in the diff half holes, one side in particular was very tight/stiff, which would have been what was causing the diff to keep failing.

When I build my own diffs I actually put a tiny bit of grease on the outdrive pins before I slide them into the case, but I don't think that is suggested in the Mugen build manual so I'm guessing most don't do it.

In Greg's case I'm not sure what happened, or what caused it, just it really stuffed up each rebuild he kept doing within the same diff cases.

i found my diff fromt he kit also had this issue, there was a very tight fit on the pin that went through the outdrive that sat on top of the large washer. I think it is due to the o ring. i found the kit o ring was a little bit big. i managed to squish it all in and there doesn't seem to be a problem with the diff...but i only used it for 1 litre or so.

Bishop 03-11-2012 09:19 PM

Not the o-ring, it was tight with just the shaft in, and when I say tight, I mean like binding up in a major way, and not just a little hard to spin.

djiewie 03-12-2012 01:22 AM

Well, at least there is no play. But this can be easily rectified by polishing the shafts. The shafts has to rotate free without play.

Maybe a 6mmm reamer will do the trick?? I don`t know the shafts diameter though.

blis 03-12-2012 02:47 AM


Originally Posted by greg.dawn (Post 10449673)
we tried km aluminium ones same as plastic after saturday we broke a diff every heat standard ones lasted 6 laps now we find out diff plastic bits that out drives go in are way to tight and this is probably the cause of all our diff troubles i though they were tight to stop leaking borrowed one from bishop and with steel already installed and bailey got to run in final with no troubles diff is still real smooth but fuel line came off at start /to lose bloody coloured stuff thanks for lend off diff bishop fellow mugen driver
greg

Greg get a new housing and internal, standard MTX5. FILL TME RIGHT UP with heavy oil so that your diff gears dont need to work hard at all and work from there. If Jeff did 93 laps, do what he is doing!

greg.dawn 03-12-2012 04:08 AM

diff
 
out drives were that tight you needed strong hands just to turn them they were not that tight when we put kit together
greg

Perez 03-12-2012 07:03 PM

Just weighed my car with 1450 life, one low profile servo (throttle), some ti screws, steel rear diff and it came out to 1705 grams!!:eek:

It seems like the only option for me is maybe finding a 700 mah life battery (if one exist), Titanium pivot balls, and a low profile steering servo. I am not a big fan of the Low profiles for steering as they seem a little too slow for my taste but if i'm gonna make it anywhere close to 1525 , ive gotta loose weight!

CanyonCarverR1 03-12-2012 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by Perez (Post 10458260)
Just weighed my car with 1450 life, one low profile servo (throttle), some ti screws, steel rear diff and it came out to 1705 grams!!:eek:

It seems like the only option for me is maybe finding a 700 mah life battery (if one exist), Titanium pivot balls, and a low profile steering servo. I am not a big fan of the Low profiles for steering as they seem a little too slow for my taste but if i'm gonna make it anywhere close to 1525 , ive gotta loose weight!

I was told that when using low profile servos, you have to add weight in order to balance the car laterally. How does yours balance?
I think I know you from RAMS, it will be good to see a few Mugens at NorCal.

TomB 03-13-2012 12:08 AM

double post

TomB 03-13-2012 12:14 AM


Originally Posted by Perez (Post 10458260)
Just weighed my car with 1450 life, one low profile servo (throttle), some ti screws, steel rear diff and it came out to 1705 grams!!:eek:

It seems like the only option for me is maybe finding a 700 mah life battery (if one exist), Titanium pivot balls, and a low profile steering servo. I am not a big fan of the Low profiles for steering as they seem a little too slow for my taste but if i'm gonna make it anywhere close to 1525 , ive gotta loose weight!


i recently purchased the mugen Ti pivot balls (full set). compared to the steel pivot balls the Ti's are 9.3 grams lighter.

with two sanwa VZ servos weight = 120 grams (shortened wires)
with a Sanwa vz and a ko low profile servo = 102.1 (shortened wires)
with two ko propo RSx one10 servos = 101.8 (non shortened wires)
considering you are using lipos you would want to use the ko propo RSxone10 low profile servos.

i have recently eliminated my reciver box and novak regulator. with these items off the car i saved 25 grams.

depending on what servos you use with the above changes you can save 34.3 to 52.2 grams

add to this a full Ti screw kit and you might save another 20 or 30 grams.

add to this ceramic bearing kit and you save more weight. maybe another 10 or 15 grams.

take away the centre weight = another -18 grams.

total of 82.3 grams to 115.2 grams

other options:
-Ti turn buckles
-Capricorn mtx4 cvd shafts
-capricorn Ti arm pins
-nylon pivot ball nuts
-smaller receiver battery
- light weight engine heatsink

Bishop 03-13-2012 02:24 AM

I'm a little surprised anyone is having trouble being light, possibly choice of running gear, but I'll have to recheck mine once it's ready to go again, as I did notice my new engine is a shade heavier, and the metal rear gear diff is likely to bring up my weight up a bit.

Ghett0 03-13-2012 09:21 AM

so has this diff issue been resolved for you guys? I havent had a problem yet...

YLLIB 03-13-2012 02:03 PM

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A-Plus products are up on the site now, but I am waiting to recive pricing to post and pictures to add on the site by tomorrow, I hope.

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The grand opening of the site is March 16..

ACORN is for the serious 1/10 & 1/8th On-Road nitro racer.

Thank you Billy

greg.dawn 03-16-2012 03:11 AM

diffs
 
i have no idea what was wrong with the other 2 diffs but new ones are really good and car has some roll now steel in back and the original ones in front plastic still looks good
greg

gotmotor 03-16-2012 10:53 AM

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Perez 03-16-2012 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by gotmotor (Post 10475770)

is that another Shing production?

Think I might be able to make it to the Montica race next weekend , if its not raining...


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