Basic Car Tuning
05-26-2004 | 08:10 PM
#91
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Originally posted by KMac
I disagree on this one. In my opinion you should never "reduce" performance at one end of the car first to balance it; ALWAYS "increase" performance at the other end to balance it and only "reduce" if you can't get the balance. In this case if your car is oversteering I would work to get more grip at the rear first then reduce front grip if all else fails. You will end up with a faster car this way.
I disagree on this one. In my opinion you should never "reduce" performance at one end of the car first to balance it; ALWAYS "increase" performance at the other end to balance it and only "reduce" if you can't get the balance. In this case if your car is oversteering I would work to get more grip at the rear first then reduce front grip if all else fails. You will end up with a faster car this way.
Thank you KMac., What I mean i got your point there. By the example there having improvement in front grip what we should reduce it! Ya.. work on the weak area first.
Last edited by esham; 05-26-2004 at 08:16 PM.
05-27-2004 | 01:29 AM
#92
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Originally posted by esham
[B4. Spring
If it still tend to oversteer i will be thinking to harden the front tension as to reduce the front grip. So I tighten both of the shock collar. This will increase the hardness or front spring tension which i tought will prevent the front suspension too "dip" and reduce the weight transfer to the front. Or very seldom I change the spring hardness. And by tighten the spring in front this will make my front ride height increase. So to keep my front height to the 5mm I force it by using the front anti roll bar screw ( front droop screw)I'm not sure if this is correct to do
Pls. correct me if this wrong..[/B]
[B4. Spring
If it still tend to oversteer i will be thinking to harden the front tension as to reduce the front grip. So I tighten both of the shock collar. This will increase the hardness or front spring tension which i tought will prevent the front suspension too "dip" and reduce the weight transfer to the front. Or very seldom I change the spring hardness. And by tighten the spring in front this will make my front ride height increase. So to keep my front height to the 5mm I force it by using the front anti roll bar screw ( front droop screw)I'm not sure if this is correct to do
Pls. correct me if this wrong..[/B]
05-27-2004 | 08:14 AM
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From: racing line - push to the limit
Originally posted by soc123_au
A flat setting is softer, as you get more vertical it becomes stiffer.
Horizontal for low traction & adjust to more vertical as traction allows.
A flat setting is softer, as you get more vertical it becomes stiffer.
Horizontal for low traction & adjust to more vertical as traction allows.
05-27-2004 | 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by KMac
I disagree on this one. In my opinion you should never "reduce" performance at one end of the car first to balance it; ALWAYS "increase" performance at the other end to balance it and only "reduce" if you can't get the balance. In this case if your car is oversteering I would work to get more grip at the rear first then reduce front grip if all else fails. You will end up with a faster car this way.
I disagree on this one. In my opinion you should never "reduce" performance at one end of the car first to balance it; ALWAYS "increase" performance at the other end to balance it and only "reduce" if you can't get the balance. In this case if your car is oversteering I would work to get more grip at the rear first then reduce front grip if all else fails. You will end up with a faster car this way.
05-27-2004 | 10:58 AM
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Thanks for the tip I will keep that in mind, whatever works for you stick with it. It is just that when car is off power weight is being transfered to the front therefore the front is where I make adjustments when dealing with off power tuning issues. 
05-27-2004 | 03:36 PM
#99
Originally posted by esham
What is the advantage to have more stiffer? Is it will make the car push into corner ..
What is the advantage to have more stiffer? Is it will make the car push into corner ..
There are so many combinations so you need to have a play to see what works. Record your changes & only make one change at a time so you know what helps & what doesnt.
06-10-2004 | 01:15 AM
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Re: My car kind of "lazy" into corner
Originally posted by esham
Hi guys, my car kind of "lazy" kit in going into corners. How i should set my car to be more responsive, faster going into corner?
Hi guys, my car kind of "lazy" kit in going into corners. How i should set my car to be more responsive, faster going into corner?
06-10-2004 | 01:29 AM
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Re: Re: My car kind of "lazy" into corner
Originally posted by InitialD
Esham, you could try using a stiffer spring in the rear or stand up the rear shocks more vertical.
Esham, you could try using a stiffer spring in the rear or stand up the rear shocks more vertical.
Thank you. Another guy is that Manticore HK guy. Where is he now do you know anything about it?
06-10-2004 | 05:53 AM
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Originally posted by soc123_au
The stiffer the car is the less likely you will traction roll, the softer the car is the more traction you will get. This is a very basic view but a good starting point. Soft Vs Stiff is all relevant to the track surface. By soft/stiff I am refering to tyres as well as suspension.
There are so many combinations so you need to have a play to see what works. Record your changes & only make one change at a time so you know what helps & what doesnt.
The stiffer the car is the less likely you will traction roll, the softer the car is the more traction you will get. This is a very basic view but a good starting point. Soft Vs Stiff is all relevant to the track surface. By soft/stiff I am refering to tyres as well as suspension.
There are so many combinations so you need to have a play to see what works. Record your changes & only make one change at a time so you know what helps & what doesnt.
Softer springs allow this to happen more slowly and the load is spread over a longer time. Therfore the load required to flip the car is never reached!
Use softer springs to avoid traction roll
Hope thi makes sense