3LikesMugen MBX6
05-04-2011, 04:29 PM
front chassis brace
is everyone running the long or the short with the 5+ chassis?
05-04-2011, 05:00 PM
Run the plastic long brace
05-04-2011, 05:37 PM
We had high bite last weekend at the 1st round of the Mid West Nitro so i went back to the allum. flywheel and 2 .90 springs and 2 1.0 . The bearings last forever and the clutch works flawless. The only thing is that the pins on the flywheel do wear to fast for my likings. I ran the Odonnell flywheel on the 3 shoe system and it would last all year with no wear on the pins.IMO, i think it is for sure worth trying it out.
Scott
05-04-2011, 09:57 PM
Anyone running werks clutch, understand it comes with 3 options. Can someone advise,
Scotts how many races can u clutch last u ?
Wat is the main different for using 4pc over 3pc
Scotts how many races can u clutch last u ?
Wat is the main different for using 4pc over 3pc
05-05-2011, 01:05 AM
choice of clutch depends on track. Excellent results so far after a gallon last weekend on the 4 aluminum shoe system
05-05-2011, 01:18 AM
Biao-ge, Haven't u tried the 4-shoe system? You might be interested to give the JVD system a shot. Leng has them. I'm using them though I might not be able to give a better review cause I'm not as fast as u guys. 
05-05-2011, 04:29 AM
I my self have been experiencing some mid corner "bind" with the new parts. Looser rear diff was helping 5k. Arms always level front rear. Or in low traction situations hair above level. Ride height IMHO is best to be the last thing to fiddle with.
Shocks make a big deal and the new chassis (or is it the springs) likes the 6hole pistons better it seems. Try that with the oil of your choice. The mew springs definately require harder dampening over the old.
Hope that helps.
Shocks make a big deal and the new chassis (or is it the springs) likes the 6hole pistons better it seems. Try that with the oil of your choice. The mew springs definately require harder dampening over the old.
Hope that helps.
05-05-2011, 05:11 AM
How long it last depends on how much slip you set the clutch up with ( what spring and shoe setup) but with 4 alluminum shoes and 4 .90 springs i have been getting between 2 to 3 gallons on the shoes and bearings.
Some will say the 4 shoe over the 3 shoe it Night and Day,,,,,,, I believe its better but not drasticly better. You do get more clutch shoe surface contact to the bell with the 4 shoe.
The thing i like the best about the four shoe is the ability to run 2 different springs for tuning,,,,,,, let me explain, with the 3 shoe when you use different springs at the same time the bell and bearings get loaded unevenly. With the 4 shoe you can tune with spring variation in pairs, this loads the bell evenly keeping the smoother engagement, more consistant feel when it engages, and way less stress on the bearings, letting them last longer. As long as you do it in pairs.(IMO)
Hope this helps with your decision.
Scott
05-05-2011, 06:26 AM
Congrate on your placing at Pattaya....
The werks is a spin off of the assendancy (IMO) at the same price, The assendancy comes with all three size springs for tuning options.
How long it last depends on how much slip you set the clutch up with ( what spring and shoe setup) but with 4 alluminum shoes and 4 .90 springs i have been getting between 2 to 3 gallons on the shoes and bearings.
Some will say the 4 shoe over the 3 shoe it Night and Day,,,,,,, I believe its better but not drasticly better. You do get more clutch shoe surface contact to the bell with the 4 shoe.
The thing i like the best about the four shoe is the ability to run 2 different springs for tuning,,,,,,, let me explain, with the 3 shoe when you use different springs at the same time the bell and bearings get loaded unevenly. With the 4 shoe you can tune with spring variation in pairs, this loads the bell evenly keeping the smoother engagement, more consistant feel when it engages, and way less stress on the bearings, letting them last longer. As long as you do it in pairs.(IMO)
Hope this helps with your decision.
Scott
How long it last depends on how much slip you set the clutch up with ( what spring and shoe setup) but with 4 alluminum shoes and 4 .90 springs i have been getting between 2 to 3 gallons on the shoes and bearings.
Some will say the 4 shoe over the 3 shoe it Night and Day,,,,,,, I believe its better but not drasticly better. You do get more clutch shoe surface contact to the bell with the 4 shoe.
The thing i like the best about the four shoe is the ability to run 2 different springs for tuning,,,,,,, let me explain, with the 3 shoe when you use different springs at the same time the bell and bearings get loaded unevenly. With the 4 shoe you can tune with spring variation in pairs, this loads the bell evenly keeping the smoother engagement, more consistant feel when it engages, and way less stress on the bearings, letting them last longer. As long as you do it in pairs.(IMO)
Hope this helps with your decision.
Scott
05-05-2011, 08:07 AM
Thanks Scott, it seems the 4 shoe system gives you better fuel mileage as well.
05-05-2011, 08:28 AM
Suspended
I've tried the new braces with +5 chassis, and i didn't like the results, it may work on smooth surfaces, but i always run on dusty blown out low to medium grip tracks and with the old braces the car is much better, i run the same setup that i ran on the old chassis.
Still using the same shock springs, and i dont see any advantage on buying the new ones.
Still using the same shock springs, and i dont see any advantage on buying the new ones.
05-05-2011, 09:29 AM
05-05-2011, 09:41 AM
Hey guys, just moved to a Mugen this year. Btw Very satisfied with the car, handles amazing. I've read the last 100 pages, but have some comments/questions:
1.Chassis bending, I noticed a lot of flex and nowadays its not completely straight...An old chassis cracked near the motor mount.
Is that common?
My hometrack is super rough, blow out. Btw is local where the 2012 Worlds will take place.
2. Pivots balls/uprights. A noticed that after few hours, the gap between ball and upright incresead maybe 0,5mm.
Should I reduce that gap until they move freely or leave that way?
3. Does anyone uses Losi clutch? The motor position is a bit foward to use Losi bell, so I'll drill new holes in the motor mount, and
move it a litlle back.( Thats because a have tons of Losi clutches with me) Anyone tried this?
4. S3 Vs S5 o'RING. Whats the point? If I have a leaking diff, should I replace S3 for S5 or It acts like a havier silicone oil?
1.Chassis bending, I noticed a lot of flex and nowadays its not completely straight...An old chassis cracked near the motor mount.
Is that common?
My hometrack is super rough, blow out. Btw is local where the 2012 Worlds will take place.
2. Pivots balls/uprights. A noticed that after few hours, the gap between ball and upright incresead maybe 0,5mm.
Should I reduce that gap until they move freely or leave that way?
3. Does anyone uses Losi clutch? The motor position is a bit foward to use Losi bell, so I'll drill new holes in the motor mount, and
move it a litlle back.( Thats because a have tons of Losi clutches with me) Anyone tried this?
4. S3 Vs S5 o'RING. Whats the point? If I have a leaking diff, should I replace S3 for S5 or It acts like a havier silicone oil?
05-05-2011, 11:00 AM
Well
The new chassis has a better rea brace, but the slight bend shouldn't hurt much, you could get the extended motor mount from King Headz, but it's like 50 bucks...
Sure you can adjust the pivot balls and they last after that...
I say use the stock clutch, it's really good...the hard mugen shoes are great..
and the Tony's screws o rings fit the diffs perfectly and no need for the smaller o rings in the diffs...
Sure you can adjust the pivot balls and they last after that...
I say use the stock clutch, it's really good...the hard mugen shoes are great..
and the Tony's screws o rings fit the diffs perfectly and no need for the smaller o rings in the diffs...
05-05-2011, 03:41 PM
Hey guys, just moved to a Mugen this year. Btw Very satisfied with the car, handles amazing. I've read the last 100 pages, but have some comments/questions:
1.Chassis bending, I noticed a lot of flex and nowadays its not completely straight...An old chassis cracked near the motor mount.
Is that common?
My hometrack is super rough, blow out. Btw is local where the 2012 Worlds will take place.
2. Pivots balls/uprights. A noticed that after few hours, the gap between ball and upright incresead maybe 0,5mm.
Should I reduce that gap until they move freely or leave that way?
3. Does anyone uses Losi clutch? The motor position is a bit foward to use Losi bell, so I'll drill new holes in the motor mount, and
move it a litlle back.( Thats because a have tons of Losi clutches with me) Anyone tried this?
4. S3 Vs S5 o'RING. Whats the point? If I have a leaking diff, should I replace S3 for S5 or It acts like a havier silicone oil?
1.Chassis bending, I noticed a lot of flex and nowadays its not completely straight...An old chassis cracked near the motor mount.
Is that common?
My hometrack is super rough, blow out. Btw is local where the 2012 Worlds will take place.
2. Pivots balls/uprights. A noticed that after few hours, the gap between ball and upright incresead maybe 0,5mm.
Should I reduce that gap until they move freely or leave that way?
3. Does anyone uses Losi clutch? The motor position is a bit foward to use Losi bell, so I'll drill new holes in the motor mount, and
move it a litlle back.( Thats because a have tons of Losi clutches with me) Anyone tried this?
4. S3 Vs S5 o'RING. Whats the point? If I have a leaking diff, should I replace S3 for S5 or It acts like a havier silicone oil?
My team mate uses losi clutchs and bells ...like you said ,you'll have to drill and tap new holes in the engine mount
mugen has come out with new s5 o rings that work good.no need for s3 o rings