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cplus 01-26-2015 06:42 PM

FWIW - I wasn't attacking the use of a ball diff, I genuinely wanted to hear why.

When the absolute majority are using a spool up front or perhaps a really heavy gear diff I was curious to hear the reasoning.

Turns out it was completely arbitrary :lol:

Qatmix 01-26-2015 11:49 PM


Originally Posted by fuse01 (Post 13808297)
whats the parts number for one way for trf 418? i think 17.5 one way should drive better

I used the TRF416 one in my 418, I assume it will be the same in the 419 (I haven't used it in the 419 yet)


Originally Posted by cplus (Post 13808489)
FWIW - I wasn't attacking the use of a ball diff, I genuinely wanted to hear why.

When the absolute majority are using a spool up front or perhaps a really heavy gear diff I was curious to hear the reasoning.

Turns out it was completely arbitrary :lol:

Indeed, needs must sometimes :) I just wanted to also stand up for the mighty ball diff, my 417 ones are still as smooth as butter (although they are not massively used).

MatJ 01-27-2015 12:42 AM


Originally Posted by Qatmix (Post 13808952)
I used the TRF416 one in my 418, I assume it will be the same in the 419 (I haven't used it in the 419 yet)



Indeed, needs must sometimes :) I just wanted to also stand up for the mighty ball diff, my 417 ones are still as smooth as butter (although they are not massively used).

I'm using a 417 one too and when I built it (and tightened it very hard) it was smooth as new. After a few runs tho it seems a little gritty but very consistent at least.

With the ball diff up front I felt I had way too much steering especially on corner entry. Which made the car difficult at the beginning because it would turn in so suddenly. Hence my chose of going back to a spool. I'll see what happens !

Skiddins 01-27-2015 02:23 AM


Originally Posted by Raman (Post 13808118)
I personally still prefer ball diffs. complaints were they get dirty, discs were worn out, balls flat spotted.

Now we have gear diffs and 90% leak. Then we have to select different weight fluids.

So In the end, were still constantly rebuilding diffs lol.

I predict ball diffs will be back in the near future. One manufacturer will come up with some gimmick update to them and we will be suckered into hopping on the band wagon again.

With the exception of our lipo/brushless tech, I think gear diffs are the best development in recent years :nod:

No more inconsistency during runs, no rebuilding and never getting it quite the same etc.
The gear diffs only leak if they're crap or built incorrectly. I bought a few gear diffs, some new and some second hand, each with a different oil in it. So no rebuilding necessary, almost ever :)

I also run 1/12 and have to rebuild the diffs for that a lot... and I hate it :nod:

MatJ 01-27-2015 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by Skiddins (Post 13809041)
With the exception of our lipo/brushless tech, I think gear diffs are the best development in recent years :nod:

No more inconsistency during runs, no rebuilding and never getting it quite the same etc.
The gear diffs only leak if they're crap or built incorrectly. I bought a few gear diffs, some new and some second hand, each with a different oil in it. So no rebuilding necessary, almost ever :)

I also run 1/12 and have to rebuild the diffs for that a lot... and I hate it :nod:

+1 on the consistency. Ball diff, unless you make them too tight, they'll loosen during the run.
Biggest issue with ball diff is diff slip imo.

Simmi 01-28-2015 02:38 AM

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Hi Guys

Again and again problems with the 2.6 mm screw from the Drive Pulley. Already at my TRF 418, I had problems with the screws, I had to completely replace all motor mount and Drive Shaft ...

With luck and patience I was able to remove the screw.

Must get steel screws to have no longer problems :weird:

Salkin 01-28-2015 02:43 AM


Originally Posted by Simmi (Post 13811513)
Hi Guys

Again and again problems with the 2.6 mm screw from the Drive Pulley. Already at my TRF 418, I had problems with the screws, I had to completely replace all motor mount and Drive Shaft ...

With luck and patience I was able to remove the screw.

Must get steel screws to have no longer problems :weird:

Had the same problem on the 418. Bought a bunch of the original screws and replaced with a new every time I needed to replace the spur or for maintenance. Never tightened too much.

cplus 01-28-2015 03:04 AM

I striped a titanium one the other day. Painful.

But was easy to undo via the lay shaft with the kit spanner.

niznai 01-28-2015 03:53 AM


Originally Posted by Simmi (Post 13811513)
Hi Guys

Again and again problems with the 2.6 mm screw from the Drive Pulley. Already at my TRF 418, I had problems with the screws, I had to completely replace all motor mount and Drive Shaft ...

With luck and patience I was able to remove the screw.

Must get steel screws to have no longer problems :weird:

The kit screw is steel.

jedi 01-28-2015 06:31 AM

Quick question guys. Is the 417 gear diff a drop in fit for the 419 and vice versa? Just want to know as I have a few spare 417 gear diffs. Thanks.

Gordie88 01-28-2015 07:04 AM

There only should be a little torque on that screw ...

if your bearings are free and correct that will not spin loose.

you guys are over tighten them....

addicted2blue 01-28-2015 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by jedi (Post 13811754)
Quick question guys. Is the 417 gear diff a drop in fit for the 419 and vice versa? Just want to know as I have a few spare 417 gear diffs. Thanks.

I'm using a TRF419 geardiff in my TRF418 so i guess it shouldn't be a problem to use the TRF417 geardiff in your TRF419.

niznai 01-28-2015 07:45 AM

You'll probably need the narrow diff bearing holders/belt tensioners (TA05 type).

Simmi 01-28-2015 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by Gordie88 (Post 13811813)
There only should be a little torque on that screw ...

if your bearings are free and correct that will not spin loose.

you guys are over tighten them....

Since I had the Raceberry Conversation Kit for my TRF 417 V5, I hated the screws in the Drive Pulley and never attracted more than necessary, because I made already there my negative experience.

I had even then problems with the 2.6 mm screws, hoping for an improved system as the Smokem V7 set.

Can anyone recommend me a good screw, which can be turn out without any problems?

torg 01-28-2015 09:34 AM

tentative 2mm 419 lower deck from Tamiya and what is that small piece next to it?

they kill hotlinks. scroll down.


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