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EDWARD2003 05-27-2015 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by Raman (Post 14028258)
His writing is worse than mine.. That's no easy feat

It's in Japanese! :lol:

Gtr r34 m-spec 05-27-2015 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by svndayNZ (Post 14028395)
Nice, who sells X-Gear springs? anybody found any?

RC Mart has them in stock.

svndayNZ 05-27-2015 08:12 PM


Originally Posted by EDWARD2003 (Post 14028457)
X-Gear springs are available in most Japanese hobby shops. You might have to do some searching around to find A) Hobby shop willing to do international orders and B) If they have the springs in stock.

Look at Futaba Pro Shop online website. I've bought them off the shelf and seem to have quite a good selection of X-Gear springs. However, Pink, Silver, and Red are hard to come by at the moment. :(

Luckily I have all of them ;)

Go check out their online store

http://www.pro-s-futaba.co.jp/store/

If the springs you want are not in stock send an E-mail to the shop owners. Simply let them know you're interested in ordering X-Gear ....... springs. Try and keep the English fairly simply and straight forward.

Worth a try :)

Thanks Ed, also any idea why Banzai arent carrying any Tamiya kits online anymore? I went to buy the M05 V2 Pro but their online kits have gone from about 25 down to 3-4

torg 05-27-2015 11:05 PM

One thing I noticed about x-gear springs on my spring gauge is that each spring color has a smaller increment in spring rate compared to any other brand of spring I own.

The 5 springs from silver to yellow span only 35 Gfmm

So if you can't find pink. blue or red is not that far off.

PDR 05-27-2015 11:43 PM


Originally Posted by torg (Post 14028896)
One thing I noticed about x-gear springs on my spring gauge is that each spring color has a smaller increment in spring rate compared to any other brand of spring I own.

The 5 springs from silver to yellow span only 35 Gfmm

So if you can't find pink. blue or red is not that far off.

How different are they from the kit springs or the HPI silvers?

Phil.

cplus 05-28-2015 02:33 AM


Originally Posted by svndayNZ (Post 14028747)
Thanks Ed, also any idea why Banzai arent carrying any Tamiya kits online anymore? I went to buy the M05 V2 Pro but their online kits have gone from about 25 down to 3-4

I emailed them about it and they said they are in disagreement with their supplier or some such.

They don't know when (or if) they will be restocking Tamiya.
:eek:

cplus 05-28-2015 02:35 AM


Originally Posted by torg (Post 14028896)
One thing I noticed about x-gear springs on my spring gauge is that each spring color has a smaller increment in spring rate compared to any other brand of spring I own.

The 5 springs from silver to yellow span only 35 Gfmm

So if you can't find pink. blue or red is not that far off.

What do pinks measure? They say c2.6 which is commonly 260?

And are they 1.4mm and 6.5 coils?

Stein Tumert 05-28-2015 04:20 AM

Did you get the two diff halves/cases correctly put together? They fit together one way and only one way... See building manual or this diff build review:

http://www.thercracer.com/2015/02/42...nd-review.html




Originally Posted by Giovanni26 (Post 14027497)
I recently purchased the trf 419 and I have a problem with the differential gear that breaks. Use the red o-ring included in the kit.
Have you ever encountered this problem?
Thank you.

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Giovanni26 05-28-2015 04:50 AM

Yes, the diff cases will join only if aligned.
For me the pin is too short.
Thanks.


Originally Posted by Stein Tumert (Post 14029030)
Did you get the two diff halves/cases correctly put together? They fit together one way and only one way... See building manual or this diff build review:


cplus 05-28-2015 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by Giovanni26 (Post 14029056)
Yes, the diff cases will join only if aligned.
For me the pin is too short.
Thanks.

There is 4 different pin sizes in the kit.

- DCJs
- Rear shafts
- Drive Hexes
- Diff

need to make sure you use the right ones or you'll end up with damage somewhere.

b20btec 05-28-2015 05:19 AM


Originally Posted by cplus (Post 14028974)
What do pinks measure? They say c2.6 which is commonly 260?

And are they 1.4mm and 6.5 coils?

I have a complete set of xgear I can check later today if I have time. 2.6 should be around 14.8 lbs/in.

Edit: I have no way of measuring it, just calculating off what the manufactured has stated but they do feel similar to ride pro match yellow on track.

ittjv 05-28-2015 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by b20btec (Post 14029086)
I have a complete set of xgear I can check later today if I have time. 2.6 should be around 14.8 lbs/in.

Edit: I have no way of measuring it, just calculating off what the manufactured has stated but they do feel similar to ride pro match yellow on track.

Ride Yellow is like 2.4. Soft. 2.6 would be more like a Ride Blue. Between an HPI Silver/Ride Red and HPI Blue/Ride Green.

* For the record, I've never run X-Gear springs so if they run soft then it makes sense they would match up to something lower. :-)

b20btec 05-28-2015 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by ittjv (Post 14029450)
Ride Yellow is like 2.4. Soft. 2.6 would be more like a Ride Blue. Between an HPI Silver/Ride Red and HPI Blue/Ride Green.

* For the record, I've never run X-Gear springs so if they run soft then it makes sense they would match up to something lower. :-)

They're rated at .259 kg/mm and definitely feels very close to the xgear pink on the track. The ride blue is definitely stiffer more close to 2.8 spring. Have you tested the ride springs on a gage? I have not just going by the manufacture rate and field, possibly I'm being delusional on track performance also.

Btw, I'm definitely not opposing what you said, I may have to put it back on the track and test it out see how it feels. It is causing me to rethink the rates. Thanks.

cplus 05-28-2015 01:45 PM

S1 (soft) range
http://www.tqrcracing.com/shop/product/tcprospring.jpg

Std range
http://www.tqrcracing.com/shop/product/TC_PRO2.jpg

Thanks to TQRacing for the images :)

So in theory Xgear pink and Ride Yellow are essentially same rate. But would appear to me to arrive there in a different way - the Xgear uses less coils so the wire gauge/stiffness must be different. This would lead to different feel on track I expect.

What needs to be remembered is spring ranges like the second image above and the likes of HPI Pro4 (where silvers come from - 300g/mm in theory, bit less in practice apparently)came out when cars were 1500g+ and ran NiCd/Nimh cells.

The S1 rides and Xgear are "post" lipo spec, way softer to deal with a car that is 10-15% lighter. Funnily enough the spring rates are around 10-15% less.

cplus 05-28-2015 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by Gtr r34 m-spec (Post 14028685)
RC Mart has them in stock.

And they are freaking expensive! $10USD A PAIR!!

that's double the cost of Ride Springs, and more expensive than xray whose stuff is normally the highest price - Would want to be amazing.


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