Yes

I know for 17.5 it helps me gear up 2-3 teeth while maintaining temps and that matters quite a bit. I have heard the some of the folks running USGT spec motors just let them bake with no issue.

12th scale innovation.

What sort of temps can the USGT motors handle?

Pain. If it doesn't burn your finger, it's not too hot.

Set a 5min timer on your radio for practice sessions though.

from what I understand they were letting them get north of 200 and they just took it like a champ.

YMMV, don’t trust my second hand advice.

That's interesting, I am not running near 200 so I guess time to throw some more gear at it.

180 was always my extreme max 'boiling point' but 160 was my operating temps I wouldn't exceed. That's interesting to hear. Were they rebuilding often?

From what I understand they weren’t even touching them. I just picked up a fixed timing USGT motor and I won’t be doing that. 160 is also my max that I’ll stick to for the sake of my wallet and the fact that I’m simply not fast enough for it to matter.

Of note here is that this is all really dependent on the material the stator and rotor are manufactured from. Some materials can handle quite a bit more heat than others and retain their electromagnetic properties. For example: some of the Exalt guys bake the absolute hell out of their 17.5 buggy motors. They’ll come off the track, no fan, damn near 220 and the rotor will supposedly handle it for a whole season. I’m also going to assume that, if they’re doing this, there’s not a excessive amount of fade either. You can’t do that with a Hobbywing G4R or you’ll roach the thing.

All of that being said… if you’re not in the A at big races you probably shouldn’t bother with those antics.

Exalt can handle 220?!? Insane!! I've never gotten close to that on mine in my pan car

Running out of motor winds. TC is down to 25.5, GT12R down to 21.5. We need ball drivers to get the giant pinions on.

Eventually we'll have to consider different options for limiting speed. Like open motor, but spec wheel rpm (with a prop checker). Limits on EPA? Anything other than 35.5 winds that would be geared nuclear hot.

A 5.5 geared low, with boost timing, and an EPA Rpm limit would be ice cold, and last forever.

Or people need to learn to set up cars and drive.

Bad mentality.

Making entry into RC racing as easy as possible is what we need to keep the hobby alive(in some places more than others). People that walk around with this mentality are exactly the people that cause folks to sell all their stuff and never come back to the track. RC, and especially when it comes to 1/12 scale, is a really hard thing to understand and master. Especially for those who are not naturally mechanically adept. A better way to think about this would be:

This would likely make it better for literally everyone, and contribute to a welcoming atmosphere that would encourage more folks to join.

Back on topic/related:

I'm not sure we need to revisit motors themselves but more so the education around them. I have explained to way too many people the effects of timing, rotor changes, and how a higher C rated battery can definitely make your motor hotter at the end of a run once you tune for it. Some of them pretty successful local racers(much better than I). I think if more people knew that understanding motor tuning was such a valuable skill there would be less mystery around it and more collective knowledge. I know motors have gotten pretty fast in the last decade too, but it definitely seems like we're approaching the other side of that development bell curve. Especially with ROAR cracking down on things like thermal conductive stator potting, etc.

I would absolutely hate a nuclear hot 35.5 geared to the moon though ​​​​​​​

Its not going to be easy to jump in when the "beginner" classes are filled with guys that have already been doing it for years. Slower motors just mean those guys look for an easier class to win in.

Unfortunately we live in a world where everyone expects a trophy without realizing the dedication it takes to earn them.
It takes an old school (and lost) mentality to stay in this hobby and compete knowing you wont win all the time.
10 guys start racing - 3 stay. Those 3 are what the hobby needs to grow.
Those other 7 usually dont support local tracks, order online and give up when they break a tie rod.


Veteran racers know what to look for before they decide they're gonna take the time to mentor.
When asked, we help.
We dont need more classes and slow things down.
We need people to stop thinking they can do everything they see and just practice/learn.