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Old 11-19-2011 | 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by LonnyJ1950
Used to have an Agitator, the top shock was an oversized damper tube. The main body was a delrin tube, closed at one end with a lip for a spring perch. I don't remember if you used a collar or spacers to adjust ride height. The piston was a nylon rod about 3/8ths in diameter and maybe 1/2 inch long. Bob is right, ball cups at both ends. The larger diameter compared to side damper tubes gave extra and more consistant damping. Unfortunately I too got rid of mine long ago.
Yes the spring perch at one end and collar at the other which you couldn't tighten too much as it was delrin and would pinch the inner shaft

This could be fixed with aluminum tube and perhaps threaded for adjuster

I think with long set screws and some interesting spacers it could fit all cars

It is just an idea I have that some 12th enthusiasts might find interesting

Still no pics of your serpent Lonny
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Old 11-19-2011 | 11:35 PM
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It ain't that pretty,
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Old 11-19-2011 | 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by LonnyJ1950
It ain't that pretty,
Sometimes ugly is fast
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Old 11-20-2011 | 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by RedBullFiXX
4-cells and wheel dots.
I sure miss those days Bob, and the 400+ entries of 12th scale at Cleveland this time of year.
They were so cool, wheel dots. *sniff*

Nothing slaps you in the face more than finding out where you stood on a national level like a good solid beatdown, in the Q main.

I recall hating it and liking it. I think the highest I ever got back then was 2nd in the "B", and I'm not complaining when you go 200+ drivers deep in a class. In fact, now that I think about it the last 2 times I raced masters at Cleveland I was in the "B"... SON-of-a-BITZ... I'm stuck in the B!!!

But it was nice to see it. You could honestly say back then and I think it was reasonable to say it. "dude, I took 34th. Makes me the 34th fastest driver in the country. 2 classes, everybody was in them, everybody was there.

Now, everybody is special and needs a trophy and a class, or the racing isn't "fair". Sometimes your gonna suck real bad, maybe even all the time. But that's why it's called racing and not simply, "winning".

I find I do a lot more "racing" than I used to. Now, to get masters age limit moved about 10 years older and toss out some of the young bucks. Or whoever we have to toss to finally get me in the show. that's the direction we should be pursuing.
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Old 11-20-2011 | 12:36 AM
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I had a thought while ordering parts for my TC...very early 1/12ths ran a gear diff but the ball diff became the diff of choice due to it's adjust ability and it's smoothness...Now that gear diffs in the TC are getting to be very light and very smooth I wonder how long it will be until we see them in pan cars again if ever.
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Old 11-20-2011 | 12:43 AM
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Back in the days i drove the 1:12 Tamiya Porsche 956 i have beaten the real 1:12 cars a lot in the silvercan class.
The Tamiya had also a gear diff.
Sadly it was a open type gear diff.
That car on stock tires was a blast to drive

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Old 11-20-2011 | 12:59 AM
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Default 1/12 gear diff

The early 1/12th cars I ran were straight axle, no diff at all. At some point, I ran the delta gear diff (a long time ago, in a place far far away...) and the thing I remembered most was the tendency to strip the teeth on the spur any time you had an abrupt stop, like hitting something. Now I know we are trying to not have that happen, but it does. The material may have been too brittle that they molded the spurs out of, but it may just be an inherent issue with gear diffs in 1/12 or 1/10 pan cars. Since a ball diff will give a little, no matter how well built to not slip, it does help alleviate this problem. I would guess that the TC cars do not develop the grip with the narrow rubber that the wide foams do, and the amount of give in the belt drive system that most run is why they have not seen many similar failures while the gears diffs are in vogue in TC right now.

I still have a few of those Delta gear diffs somewhere. I should dig them out...

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Old 11-20-2011 | 01:12 AM
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I have heard that the delta diff where indeed to brittle.
Never had a stripped gear on the Tamiya tho,spurs or the smaller gears in the diff it self.

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Old 11-20-2011 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Pro10noob
Back in the days i drove the 1:12 Tamiya Porsche 956 i have beaten the real 1:12 cars a lot in the silvercan class.
The Tamiya had also a gear diff.
Sadly it was a open type gear diff.
That car on stock tires was a blast to drive

regards Roy
I ran the Toyota Toms car once against a class of 27T 12L's on a low to med grip asphalt track, and worked them.
Out of the box gearing, tires, body, Silvercan, 2400ma stick pack et all.

Tamiya used to have such dialed out of the box equipment.

A proper sealed gear diff in 12th would work fine imo.
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Old 11-20-2011 | 07:29 AM
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Had the Delta Spyder and it came with gear diff and if I remember correctly it caused wheel lift

It might not be move forward like with TC
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Old 11-20-2011 | 07:29 AM
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Same for me.
Stock motor and tires,mech speed controle and at first the red sanyo's 1200SCR.
Later on the 1700 or indeed 2400.
At first indeed stock gearing but when tires git thinner i used bigger pinions

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Originally Posted by RedBullFiXX
I ran the Toyota Toms car once against a class of 27T 12L's on a low to med grip asphalt track, and worked them.
Out of the box gearing, tires, body, Silvercan, 2400ma stick pack et all.

Tamiya used to have such dialed out of the box equipment.

A proper sealed gear diff in 12th would work fine imo.
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Old 11-20-2011 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Pro10noob
Same for me.
Stock motor and tires,mech speed controle and at first the red sanyo's 1200SCR.
Later on the 1700 or indeed 2400.
At first indeed stock gearing but when tires git thinner i used bigger pinions

regards Roy
Sorry, meant to say 1400ma =)

As for the Delta, it was a top heavy, hi cg rather rotund racer for high grip indoor racing, at least it was by the time I got into it.

The 12L and Corally dominated indoors, but outdoors on less than ideal grip, (keep the VHT away from Fernando. B) the Spider still had some game.
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Old 11-20-2011 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by RedBullFiXX
Sorry, meant to say 1400ma =)

As for the Delta, it was a top heavy, hi cg rather rotund racer for high grip indoor racing, at least it was by the time I got into it.

The 12L and Corally dominated indoors, but outdoors on less than ideal grip, (keep the VHT away from Fernando. B) the Spider still had some game.
In LA around 85' - 86' the delta spyder ruled especially outdoor

lol Fernando B. VHT
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Old 11-20-2011 | 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by LonnyJ1950
Used to have an Agitator, the top shock was an oversized damper tube. The main body was a delrin tube, closed at one end with a lip for a spring perch. I don't remember if you used a collar or spacers to adjust ride height. The piston was a nylon rod about 3/8ths in diameter and maybe 1/2 inch long. Bob is right, ball cups at both ends. The larger diameter compared to side damper tubes gave extra and more consistant damping. Unfortunately I too got rid of mine long ago.
Lonnie get rid of something 1/12th scale related , now thats a first
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Old 11-20-2011 | 09:47 AM
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Over 30+ years of 1/12th scale racing, I have sold 3 cars, a 12E, a 12i, and an Agitator. I was trying to help people get going in 1/12th each time, and regretted every sale.
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