voodoo

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thanks for the reply.

the place where i can get these chassis just ran out of the X1. is it that far better than say the TRF102?!

F N CUDA

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I refuse to reply on the grounds that I may incriminate myself

My TRF 102 is very good on asphalt, on carpet, unknown to me.

My XRAY X1 is very good on carpet, on asphalt, unknown to me but as mentioned earlier I've seen it gettin around the pavement pretty well recently.

wwddww34

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Here's a list of 25.5 motors available through A-Main or Stormer Hobbies.

MikeR

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But are any of them ROAR legal? And when/if ROAR creates a 25.5 regulation will you have to buy all over again a new ROAR legal 25.5 soon after? Are we putting the cart before the horse here?

voodoo

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haha that sounds very familiar if you live where i am.

thanks!

RCBuddha

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schurr speed also has a 25.5

JayL

That! is the key

F N CUDA

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ROAR doesn't give a rat's ass about F1 J/K, I hope they do
but if the racing is already demanding 25.5, who's gonna say when we need their blessing?

scirocco14

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I'm just worried the switch to non-ROAR approved 25.5 motors will lead to 'motor wars'. I'm already hearing the rumbles of the 'hot' 25.5 motors to get. Even with ROAR approval it may still be an issue.

With the 21.5 motors, that's not really an issue for us locally. A 21.5 motor seems to be a surplus of power on the carpet tracks where we race and most of us run less than 100% throttle EPA just to keep them under control. Maybe we're all just dorks and don't know what we're doing? Who knows. But cheap motors have been just as fast as expensive ones in our area. I'm running an old 21.5 SS Novak and doing pretty well with it. There was one guy waxing us with a Hobbyking 21.5 motor and Justock ESC combo.

But I have run 25.5 motors in my F1 cars and they are indeed easier to drive and can use all the available power. So if that's the case, then we'll all be searching for that "hot" 25.5 motor to gain a little extra advantage.

Just my $0.02 worth.

Mark

MikeR

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It's not so much about ROAR's blessing, more about having equal 25.5 motors. At least if ROAR had 25.5 approvals then you know a motor is a legit spec 25.5... not an outlaw 25.5 with wire twice as thick as the car sitting next to you (yes, you can buy a motor like that). Why spec a motor for F1 if there is no spec in the motor. That's why I believe the cart is in front of the horse on switching to 25.5 motors- too soon right now.

... we should be waiting a little bit longer for the motor approvals first so we all don't have to go out and buy a 2nd motor that is officially legal.

mtveten

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I fail to see the need to reduce power, the cars are far from overpowered with a 21.5. Look at what happened to The WGT class when it was running boosted 10.5 motors attendance was its peak, how many do you see club racing now? As the WGT class slowed by dropping to 13.5 motors and then then abandoning timing ramps the cars became very boring to drive and the "hot" battery / motor combo became more important than the driver.

Even if a power reduction to Tyco speeds was desirable, with no regulations on how the motors are made parity between them wont exist.

F N CUDA

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Really gonna suck if it does become a motor war, ROAR or no ROAR.

17.5 on and offroad is that kind of suck.

Better have fresh batteries, know how to really charge em and motor has got to be up to the job or you can ride around mid pack even if you can tune a chassis and drive it.
Always been like that though so nothing new here.

However, F1 with a 21.5 as mentioned in the above post, pretty much has more than enough rip to where average stuff gets it done.

Rumor has it that even offroad is gonna try this 1 step down motor thing, dropping 17.5 down to 21.5 (save your F1 motors ) because they're going too fast for "stock" class racing and is keeping the class to expert based racers.

Also, GT10 dropping the 17.5 to 21.5 to allow a wider range of driver skill to want to compete.

If this all works out and the classes grow then somebody got it right.

Let's all hope for the best.

mtveten

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locally the 17.5 buggies have trouble clearing jumps, and just like wgt, stock 12th its all about having the best battery & motor and they better be fresh and dont forget your icharger. With anything less might as well stay home. Its a sad day when mod is the ONLY class not won by a wallet. I quit running other pan cars when they became wallet races instead of car races.

The trick to any good sportsman or spec class is getting the grip / power balance just right so the cars feel like you cant quite use all the power all the time but are not so overpowered they turn people away. The current 2s 21.5 rubber tire package has the balance just right. We had silvercan and found it bit anemic why would we want to change to something slower than what was already deemed lacking.

Take a look at one of the local VTA drivers esc log and you wont be able to spot 1/2 the turns by by the throttle input graph and will likely see only on and off input.

JayL

This!

We dont want a d3.5 or Corrally red 'issue'

F1 is not a novice class, don't care who wants it to be

If you want it novice allow gyro's, simple

ixlr8nz

The more you change the rules, the more you rule out people from racing and add cost.