does anyone have a good setup for the E4 CS on carpet rubber tires? Plan to run this in VTA class

Its sad. Car has a great concept and with a little more work they could of done it right. That being said they would get more guys wanting to race the car.

The stuff your working on it is for you DE car or your other E4 rubber car that you sent me pics of.

If I could borrow an E4 that was already setup to fit lipos from someone I knew would really help me to see if I want the car. Problem is no one I know has one that I can try. I have access to a new one but I can't try it out as I did get to check out the car. Its too much money to spend on just a cool looking car. Normally I would just take the plunge but with money being tight I just can't justify it when so many other brands have pretty much all the kinks worked out and pretty much all the other manufactures keep making improvements whiel TM really don't seem to care. They must be big in other parts of the world because here in the states they are DOA!!!!!!!!!!!:lol:

You are going to have to move the rear arms forward to get the wheels in the wheelbase of the body. grind 3mm off the front of the arm and put a spacer behind it on the hinge pin. Make sure the sway bar links do not bind up on the rear suspension. You also will need thicker offset wheel hexes. Thats about it. :tire:

Getting a LoPi tray is about all you need to make it ready.
Once the car is right it drives great .. trouble is chasing all the little bugs . I've replaced so many parts on this frikin' thing. One thing after another.

That is what the only guy I knew who ran one said. Just lots of little stuff that keep the car from being really good. Like he was saying for the price you shouldn't need to fix so many things as they really add up.

I did read over the 09 spec car and while it seems to address the problems still seems to fall short as it still not seemingly enough changes to cover some of the lipo and brushless stuff out on the market.

If I had more play money I would get a car to mess with as a 2nd car but like many money is too tight and this is just a hobby and considered a luxury item.

How much is the E4RS going for in the states????
Here it is 249 euros for the 08 chassis.

cheers Roy

I think Wolf Hobbies has them starting at 349 to 399 and for the Special Edition one WOlf Hobbies has had made starts at $500 up to $550 but those versions have every option you could want and really are great looking cars. Those DE versions are really decked out and should have all problems fixed.

Heres a question for you all. Why does Wolf hobbies upgrade the old E4(meaning the DE edition) and not the new 09 spec car. Isnt the 09 spec car a better car with alot of new ideas. Ive heard Wolf hobbies reasoning but not sure on it(no disrespect Wolf)

My guess is Wolf did the changes way before the 09 car came out. I still think the DE edition car is still way about the stock 09 E4 by a mile.

Why not buy a 09 spec and get all the parts seperate. All the DE spec parts are just upgrades. Then you have the new chassis and single bellcrank steering etc right off the bat.

Wow guys now you are freaking me off with your bad comments about the E4 platform.

Im just about to receive my Team Magic E4RS 2009 for 13.5 brushless racing in my country, and already sold my Cyclone !! lol !!!

Well, the kit will be in my hands next week :(, hope to do it fine with it ... the Cyclone made me win couple races already here.

cya,

Pato Concha
Southamerica

I think with some TLC you will fine. If I had some sort of deal to run the E4 I would take the chance.

The Billet Aluminum Side Belt Tensioner is a piece of crap.
It comes with the DE kit.
The plastic one has a carbon fiber tensioner plate but the plastic does not hold its thread and thats where the car tweaks from. They need to address this issue and fast so my car will work again. maybe I will have to draw one up and make my own.... I don't want to have to make my own. That been a weak link for some time I had suggested in the past but was assured it was not an issue .. but it is.... trust me on this one. In some ridiculous effort to make that part so frickin' light it breaks when you look at it wrong is just stupid. First with the plastic you have to carve the crap out of the back of it to get the motor in and the billet one is weak as a toothpick. Not good at all. Wolf I hope you are reading this and are making our new parts already . :p:sneaky: and:cry:if your not.:deathstar

Keep in mind it's only one guy who seems to be displeased with the car. I also previously had a Cyclone and don't miss it one bit. The E4 has it's pluses and minuses like every touring car platform.

One guy with over 30 years of experience. That Cyclone is an awesome car.
So I'm considering the source. Problem is I never said I didn't like the car I said it's killing me on issues. Once it's dialed I know it will be a good ride. Seriously someone needs to further reform several parts on this car.

Its very hard to compare a Cyclone to the E4. The Cyclone has more than proven it is a world class touring car with a Worlds and National victories against the best drivers and cars in the world.

I didn't see any E4's winning World titles liet alone even making an A main at these events. You seen Losi, Associate, HotBodies, Tamiya, Kyosho, and Schumacher either have World Titles or National Titles.

I never seen a E4 win any MAJOR event. I even think the car is pretty cool and still might purchase one for a 2nd car to mess with but in my eyes it just hasn't been up to par with the proven best touring cars out on the market today.

Support for the car is low and even Wolf Hobbies isn't on this thread a ton but on occasion they do stop by and offer some advice but I think it would go along way to see alot more Team Support for this car. RC TEch is one of the best forums to do this and has huge World Wide support so it can't hurt to post on here more. I figure they are busy and it makes it hard to get on and check this site all the time. I'm lucky I have time aftrer work and even during work depending how busy I am.

Hell I'm not the best driver around but if I ran for TM or Wolf I would be posting alot about the car and my findings. I have 19k posts so I'm sure I would have something to say about the car.:lol:

the car has plenty of potential...they just dont have any of the caliber drivers that the major teams have..barry baker ran the car in its original form and put it in the a a t iic a couple of years ago...im sure if they had someone of the other teams caliber, it would be very competitive. not busting on dave, he is a great driver, but not a top level driver in that aspect..if you try this car you wont be dissapointed..it is one of the most consistant cars i have ever driven on carpet, and im sure it is good on asphalt also..

Are you currently running the car anywhere? I see your from Baltimore so I not sure if you run at 301, Frederick, Glen Burnie or Mimis. I know I'm going to the regionals at Blue Diamond in September and going to try to go to Mushroom Bowl for their big race. I'm looking to go to Frederick for the Nats as well so maybe I will catch you running the car sometime soon if your still running it.

hey wyd....im not in baltimore anymore, moved back to hometown of phx arizona...i odnt run the car on asphalt, but do on carpet, i might make it back to baltimore, i love mimis, it was the only place i raced there, course i was only there for a couple of months, but like the atmosphere there...i forgot to say that if you are worried about drag, ran cooper made the a main in 17.5 at snowbirds in rubber tire, and he was the only unsponsored guy in the a..its rally not the belts, its the bearings that cause most of the drag.. i will look you up if your up in the maryland area, and you can check out car in person

Cool. I hope to see you sometime in the future. Mimis is under going a huge face lift. If you didn't see it yet check out The Track thread and take a look at the pics. Going to be super nice when its done.:nod:

I been going thru this whole thread reading everything and catching up some on what has evolved over the last year. From reading everything so far the car did get alot of good reviews and has a few minor issues like many cars do so not a big deal. I watched a few videos as well and the ones I saw the car was easily competitive. A good setup for any car will cure 99% of the problems. Everyone told me my MI2EC wouldn't work great but I probably did my best overall with that car. Main reason is I stuck with it and just made improvements in the handling every week and made alot af people eat their words.:lol: I always like to run stuff that is not as popular and it has never hrut me in the past 25 years and I don't see it changing anytime soon.

How I do is up to me and I have no one to blame but me so I like it that way.:nod:

qauled 3rd finished 3rd runinig in VTA w/ a e4 js ....really really happy with the car:)

For the price tht seems like a great car for the VTA class. Might have to think about that if I want to get into VTA racing.

Is your car bone stock? Did you clean out the bearings at all?

and the #248 hpi side belt. or try shinning up the mid block to losen the front belt. 0.030 inches ought to do it.
:cool:

Sounds like you messed with one before.:D

More like 3 of them. :P
An E4 Carpet ed., one optimized for rubber and carpet. and the D.E. ride...
Okay okay , the first one is a friends car but I hooked him up right.

I thought the belt was HPI A748
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...I=HPIC2748&P=K

Umm okay ... my bad . ty slakr

I cleaned the bearings while they were in the car ...im lazy i know

AE springs blue/front green/rear ...tightened front diff down...moved rear shocks in one hole on tower.....stock shock oil 30wt?=300:blush:.... still messing with ride height its at 8-9mm:eek: right know ..but its handling so good...104spur 51pinion largest combo that will fit, 21.5 havok BL system,jr8800s servo,smc 24c 2s 4100mah lipo and i have a 5200mah for tracks that allow it ..esc fitts snug on chassis air vent and u have to remove a small brace to get motor in, very easy though ...had to trim foam bumper to fit the 'cuda body ...my belts feel fine just tightened the middle belt tensioner slightly to keep it from jumping teeth

NP, Just trying to help. I have the E4JS and it is a pretty decent car for the $. I think I saw Marcos post that part number up one time, but personally... I haven't tried that belt yet.

Looks great. If I do a VTA car I would go with the Cuda body as well. I think that is the main reason why I want to do a VTA car down the road.:D

I'm not up much on the VTA rules but do they make you run a certain overall gearing? I thought I saw that 4.21 is the ratio for this class but not 100% on that.

usvta rules brian stipulate 4.2:1 as lowest FDR when using a 21.5/lipo combination (which most all do since the other formats are 4cell). that is with a novak 21.5 only. now ROAR crashed the party and says in their rules that any 21.5 is permitted since they supposedly cant marry their rules to 1 brand (i thought they loved bob ha).

R

Thanks Ryan. I think in the long term I will build a VTA car sometime after Xmas or so. Yeah thought ROAR loved Novak but nice to see it open but I guess I would run Novak in VTA because I think that is what most tracks run.

That looks GOOOODDDD! :tire::tire::tire::tire:;)

The maximum recommended gear is 4.2 final ratio.
I'm running more like 4.8 final. If you read the rules carefully is merely suggests a range that you are not supposed to exceed. Using an SPX or Tekin RS with timing boost is the trick, I gear for punch and don't worry much about top speed, and we have a 100 foot straightaway. The real trick is setting up for those tires....

Oh and the Camaro is the body of choice.

No Hemi Cuda!!!!!!!:lol: I want maximum muscle from my muscle car.:lol: My dad had a 1967 Plymouth Hemi GTX. the 426 motor was rated at 425hp but my dads stock on the dyno with a good tune up was right at 500hp. Think car companies where trying to deceive the insurance companies a little bit.:D

One version of that Hemi in the Superbird and Daytona had almost 800hp in there . Pretty frickin' amazing huh !?

Very scary. Back in the mid 60's to real early 70's is when they built some killer muscle cars. I know my dad wishes he still had his Hemi thats for sure.

How does your E4 do running the VTA class?

The belt is a perfect fit but running short in supply. I picked up a couple of belts and am planning on putting one of my E4JS cars back together for VTA. It really was the best handling car on the track. The only mod I made orginally was to take the nubs off the rear control arms to slide them a touch forward, about 3 mm. I have to pick up a full set of bearings and prep them properly for this winter.

I had to grind off the front of the lower control arm to get the wheelbase to fit the Camaro and shim it in the rear. Made clearance for the sway bar links as they crash in to the lowers . I like the way it drove yes but I didn't spend enough time setting it up as I should have . I was not slow by any means. seeing how I now have 3 E4's I will make it a goal to have it tweaked in for VTA.

i have a problem with the side belt skipping. i have the tensioner right down. it doesnt skip then but wow what a stiff driveline. i was thinking about getting a wide belt that ive seen as a new option part. anyone try these??